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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Actually I do. It's why the people were arrested for blocking the bridge. It puts people's lives at risk.

    This does not reach that level but as I said, protest but have a little respect.
    LOL!!!

    No one's life was at risk. If that were the case, the police wouldn't have led the protesters onto the roadway of the bridge

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    You really don't understand civil disobedience, do you?
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Enough of your bull**** generalizations. My generation invented "civil disobedience." I personally marched to protest the VietNam war and to support Civil Rights. And I knew, as did we all, that when we broke the law with our protests, we'd be subject to arrest.

    Nothing has changed. You want to protest illegally? You're subject to arrest. Whining about it, like these wussies are doing, is for babies. Back in the day, being arrested was like a badge of courage for our convictions.
    Sing it loud, sister. (And if you get arrested for disturbing the peace, I'll bail you out)

    I marched in the Civil Rights, Women's Rights and anti-Vietnam War marches. As DiAnna says, getting arrested was part of it if you were doing something illegal (and sometimes even if you weren't). Whining about doesn't make any sense. You either believe in what you are doing and are willing to put yourself in in a position to be arrested if needed to advance the cause or you don't /aren't willing.

    I remember going to an organizational meeting from a civil rights march and hearing this: "If don't have the cojones to do this, stay home. Those of us with the cojones don't have time to baby-sit you."

    BTW, you cannot camp anywhere without getting arrested. I have friends that do something called extreme hammocking....
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It never was. Being arrested was never meant to boost the protesters ego and street "cred". It is a tool to draw attention to the injustice of the law, the abuse of power by the govt and the overreaction of the govt also made the states fear of the protesters power evident
    So then... yes... Being repressed as a result of protest does lend credence when the protest is about repression. I wasn't saying anything about ego, but about what people demonstrating, and continuing to demonstrate, even in the face of arrest and other consequences, suggests greater conviction on the part of the protesters. That conviction aids in the respect the public will give to the protester and thus affect the strength of their message.

    Regardless of how the arrested person feels, suffering for your cause makes your cause look better.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So then... yes... Being repressed as a result of protest does lend credence when the protest is about repression. I wasn't saying anything about ego, but about what people demonstrating, and continuing to demonstrate, even in the face of arrest and other consequences, suggests greater conviction on the part of the protesters. That conviction aids in the respect the public will give to the protester and thus affect the strength of their message.

    Regardless of how the arrested person feels, suffering for your cause makes your cause look better.
    Yes, I didn't mean to imply that you said that arrests were about ego and individual cred. I was referring to the poster you responded to who mentioned how their arrests were a "badge" for the arrested.

    In this case, the arrests gives the movement a lot more credibility than the teabaggers who held a picnic on the weekend, listened to some speeches, held up signs, threatened violence, and then went home, taking no risks, and sacrificing nothing
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Police are prohibited from using excessive force. They are required to calibrate their use of force to the level of the threat. It's the law

    But most people know that the police are unlikely to obey the law
    As long as the force used is commensurate with the force it is being met with, then it is perfectly legal.

    If a "woman" is attempting to stab an Officer with a knife... she will be met with the same amount of force that a "man" attempting to stab an officer with a knife will be met with.

    If a "woman" is punching an officer in the face... she will be met with the same amount of force that a "man" punching an officer in the face with be met with.

    The amount of force used is not dependant upon the age or gender of the person it is used against...... but the level of force of which they are using.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    As long as the force used is commensurate with the force it is being met with, then it is perfectly legal.

    If a "woman" is attempting to stab an Officer with a knife... she will be met with the same amount of force that a "man" attempting to stab an officer with a knife will be met with.

    If a "woman" is punching an officer in the face... she will be met with the same amount of force that a "man" punching an officer in the face with be met with.

    The amount of force used is not dependant upon the age or gender of the person it is used against...... but the level of force of which they are using.
    And we all know the awesome power of this senior citizen. Just look at the muscles!!

    And look at how they use "commensurate force" on this guy, who commits the viscious crime of waving a flag and shouting!! How despicable!


    Now watch as the cops pepper spray two dangerous young girls in response to their dangerous screaming "Oh, my god!!"
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And we all know the awesome power of this senior citizen. Just look at the muscles!!

    And look at how they use "commensurate force" on this guy, who commits the viscious crime of waving a flag and shouting!! How despicable!


    Now watch as the cops pepper spray two dangerous young girls in response to their dangerous screaming "Oh, my god!!"
    State sponsored terrorism in an attempt to silence a political movement.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Here's guy who listens to the cop when the cop tells him to step back, so the cop throws him to the ground for the crime of obeying a cops command
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    State sponsored terrorism in an attempt to silence a political movement.
    And the idiot cops don't realize it only helps us gain support by exposing them for the state thugs that they are

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Enough of your bull**** generalizations. My generation invented "civil disobedience." I personally marched to protest the VietNam war and to support Civil Rights. And I knew, as did we all, that when we broke the law with our protests, we'd be subject to arrest.

    Nothing has changed. You want to protest illegally? You're subject to arrest. Whining about it, like these wussies are doing, is for babies. Back in the day, being arrested was like a badge of courage for our convictions.
    even though I agreed with some of the peace protesters claims back in the day... I still fought with them, sometimes as a victim of aggression, sometimes as an aggressor... bloody and brutal fights.... good fun, good times.

    ...and we got along pretty well in jail as well.

    i've no love for cops, to be sure... but i've really no love for sissies.
    some of the folks back in the day ,even though they knew it was futile, would go right after the cops... I respected their aggression and guts, even if their judgement wasn't sound.
    now it seems to be all about being able to play a victim on TV or Youtube.


    that all said, it was not an unreasonable request for them to move the protest down to a different area of the park, they should have done so.... and it was an unreasonable response to get violent with the protestors.
    all in all... the cops and protestors are a bunch of sissies.

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