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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Back of the bus, dirty smelly protesters. (I know I'm overexagerating)
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Do you honestly think that people have the right to pitch a tent anywhere in America, and exercise their right of free speech? Anywhere? How about the middle of an intersection? On a freeway overpass? How about blocking access to public buildings, like city halls, libraries, schools? Is it okay to block access to a hospital to protest nurse's salaries? Block fire vehicles inside fire stations to protest a new fire tax?

    Is it okay for them to pitch tents in your front yard, block access to your house and protest you?

    Sorry but your statement is ridiculous on its face. There always have been and always will be limits to how, where, and what can be exercised as free speech.
    Hey, mayne that's the secret trick.

    The protesters will provoke as many confrontations as possible that their opponents will use reasonable restrictions on free speech to justify.

    And then hit them with the concept of limitations on free speech in the form of investment of money in politics as being in the public interest like protecting our sod is now.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think that's an important point. From what I've seen of the negative responses to you, justabubba and others' comments, the common sentiment seems to be "it's the law, just follow it" which rests on the implication that the law is just and reasonable. However, what none of these responses take into account is the spirit of the law and purposes that they serve. What many government officials advertise as laws made for "safety concerns" are simply laws made so that protests don't attract attention, get noticed and have a real impact.

    "It's the law" has never been and never will be a sufficient response to criticisms of the laws themselves.
    It's common respect and courtesy to stay off the newly placed sod. Laws be damned. Have some respect.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I'll by that for a dollar, but I don't think a 74 year old man is much of a threat to cops. Not the kind of threat that warrants knocking the guy on his ass.
    So..... if someone is of a certain age they are allowed to take certain aggressive actions?
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Rightwing authoritarian types just dont get non-violent civil disobedience. They think the "disobedience" part of it means "obey every law"
    Enough of your bull**** generalizations. My generation invented "civil disobedience." I personally marched to protest the VietNam war and to support Civil Rights. And I knew, as did we all, that when we broke the law with our protests, we'd be subject to arrest.

    Nothing has changed. You want to protest illegally? You're subject to arrest. Whining about it, like these wussies are doing, is for babies. Back in the day, being arrested was like a badge of courage for our convictions.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Declaring specific areas off limits and relegating demonstrations to places that are unseen and outside common areas are a useful way to minimize the impact of a demonstration, creating marginalization and thus diminishing the rights to assembly. We need to be very careful about being denied our constitution rights through these types of regulations. So I don't have a bone to pick with people who do not want to be denied their speech for legitimate grievences.

    There is a good reason people have issues with things such as free speech zones and what not. Unless there is an impact on public safety (which is not the same thing as creating an inconvienence for people), these things should not be regulated away from the citizenry.
    Sure.. no problem...

    Just cordon them off and demand a tax from each of them to pay for the repair costs to the new sod.

    Otherwise.... arrest them for damage to property... and yes, landscaping can be considered property.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    My generation invented "civil disobedience."
    You must be a medical miracle then.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Looks like a law was made that stops a persons right to peacably assemble.

    Thats like saying you have the right to drink water. But, only 1 cup a day.

    Or you have a right to stay up as long as you want but, im giving you a sedative at 10.

    Or you can take a dump.... But im going to install this colostomy bag.
    How about I go "peacefully" key your car.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    candidly, I can not offer an opinion on those decisions since I do not know about the fiscal condition of your county. If these councilmen have truly screwed up, they will be easily replaced in the next elect cycle.
    There is already a movement trying to recall two of the members - both Tea Party.

    I do know the fiscal condition of my county and they decided to provide infrastructure changes to benefit a new WalMart, two new shopping areas and development in a disputed area adjacent to the Great Smokey Mountain national park. In order to have the money for the above, they closed two schools and cut the budgets at others and laid off LEOs and firefighters and reduced the LEO and fire fighters' benefits. Care to guess who those rich developers unabashedly supported in the elections?
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Do you honestly think that people have the right to pitch a tent anywhere in America, and exercise their right of free speech? Anywhere? How about the middle of an intersection? On a freeway overpass? How about blocking access to public buildings, like city halls, libraries, schools? Is it okay to block access to a hospital to protest nurse's salaries? Block fire vehicles inside fire stations to protest a new fire tax?

    Is it okay for them to pitch tents in your front yard, block access to your house and protest you?

    Sorry but your statement is ridiculous on its face. There always have been and always will be limits to how, where, and what can be exercised as free speech.
    There could be limits, but if there are no limits on the limits, then there should be no limits. Understand?
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