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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You mean like pointing out that their messages were largely selfish, often racist, and quite frequently contradictory? That's an attack, right? Criticizing the violence of their messages, that's just being partisan. I think "selfish prick" was the worst thing I ever said about Tea Partiers.

    On the flip side, discussion of the OWS protesters seems largely to be about their hygiene and attire. People who don't know what socialism is call them socialists, but those same people call Obama a socialist, which is absurd. The OWS protests certainly have a coherent message, and it's centered around the huge gap between the middle and upper classes in this country. Unemployment soars, while corporate leaders line their own pockets, regardless of the economic, social, or environmental consequences for the rest of us. The system that allows this to happen is the target. The only real criticism I've seen leveled towards the OWS' actual message is "nuh uh, the recession isn't the fault of business practices that elevate greed and selfishness to saintly virtues, it's the democrats!"

    The criticism leveled at the two groups has hardly been equal.
    As you plainly point out, you are correct. The OWS has been called "dirty hippies". Those like yourself as you acknowledge have gone far further in demeaning those who have complained in large part the very same things as the OWS crowd.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

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    Call it underpaid or low pay, whatever. I think most LEO's are critically underpaid for the risks they take on our behalf. Would I cruise the inner city streets of ATL for the paltry salary our cops receive, hell no. We waste to much money on unimportant crap while starving the very folks we need to maintain public safety.

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    Glad to hear it is not universal. I do know the primarily GOP (1/3 are Tea Party) county councilmen here not only cut the size of our police force, but they also cut the benefits of those who remained. Our better officers got jobs elsewhere and now we have LEOs that are constantly in trouble for overuse of force and case after case is lost at trial due to sloppy police work.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Glad to hear it is not universal. I do know the primarily GOP (1/3 are Tea Party) county councilmen here not only cut the size of our police force, but they also cut the benefits of those who remained. Our better officers got jobs elsewhere and now we have LEOs that are constantly in trouble for overuse of force and case after case is lost at trial due to sloppy police work.
    candidly, I can not offer an opinion on those decisions since I do not know about the fiscal condition of your county. If these councilmen have truly screwed up, they will be easily replaced in the next elect cycle.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Read more here: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston — RT

    So, the cops are now beating up war veterans. This is really disgusting and just goes to show the heartlessness of the cops that did this horrendous act.
    I haven't read the thread yet, but frankly I didn't see anyone getting "beat up" in the video. I did see a crowd of people being repeatedly warned to move back to the area where they permission to gather. Clearly, they didn't plan on doing that, preferring instead a confrontation. As for it being a "horrendous act", that's ludicrous. A "horrendous act" is when six Fullerton policeman beat a mentally ill homeless man to death in front of dozens of screaming witnesses.

    This whole thing is a big, fat nothing-burger. According to a Boston Globe article... Boston mayor says he sympathizes with protesters, but they can’t tie up the city - Metro Desk - Local news updates from The Boston Globe ...police offers were being attacked, hit, punched, and one man said that he never saw any of the police use their batons but he complained that they were "rough" with protestors as they dragged them away. So they never used their batons, and not a single protester arrested had serious injuries. Real "horrendous."

    As for the 74-year-old veteran, I couldn't see anything on the video and according to the above article, his complaint was that he was knocked down during the arrest. Well then, bunky, maybe you should have gone back to the place where you were supposed to be... y'know?

    Like I said, a non-story, a big, fat nothing-burger.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, this is how we get "protest zones". We already have "free speech" zones which are bull****. As I said, America is a free speech zone. But now the authority gets to tell people when and where they can exercise their rights, and thus can push them off to the side. Which is EXACTLY what they do at things like the RNC and DNC conventions. Push the protesters blocks and blocks away so the press doesn't have to cover them, so the politicians don't have to see it. It's incredibly destructive to our rights and our ability to keep hold of the government such that we may preserve the Republic.

    Big government is never good, it is always harmful to our rights. If there is no way to limit what the government can call "legally restricted land", then it IS a stripping of our rights.
    I think that's an important point. From what I've seen of the negative responses to you, justabubba and others' comments, the common sentiment seems to be "it's the law, just follow it" which rests on the implication that the law is just and reasonable. However, what none of these responses take into account is the spirit of the law and purposes that they serve. What many government officials advertise as laws made for "safety concerns" are simply laws made so that protests don't attract attention, get noticed and have a real impact.

    "It's the law" has never been and never will be a sufficient response to criticisms of the laws themselves.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    We will have to disagree on the amount of tolerance that should be shown to these SQUATTERS. It dawned on me a couple minutes ago that these people aren't Protestors, they're Squatters. If they're Protestors, what's their message? If they don't have a message then they're just derilicts and squatters and should be treated as such.

    I'd have no more issue running them down than I would a squirrell or chipmunk.
    No, not me. I celebrate their right to demonstrate. What I don't abide is not listening to law enforcement who's obviously doing everything it can to defuse "situations." They aren't squatters. They're exercising a right that our soldiers die for.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's how we get "free speech" zones, which are horse****. America is a free speech zone.
    Do you honestly think that people have the right to pitch a tent anywhere in America, and exercise their right of free speech? Anywhere? How about the middle of an intersection? On a freeway overpass? How about blocking access to public buildings, like city halls, libraries, schools? Is it okay to block access to a hospital to protest nurse's salaries? Block fire vehicles inside fire stations to protest a new fire tax?

    Is it okay for them to pitch tents in your front yard, block access to your house and protest you?

    Sorry but your statement is ridiculous on its face. There always have been and always will be limits to how, where, and what can be exercised as free speech.

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Read more here: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston — RT

    So, the cops are now beating up war veterans. This is really disgusting and just goes to show the heartlessness of the cops that did this horrendous act.




    EDIT: Here is the video of the incident

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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Do you honestly think that people have the right to pitch a tent anywhere in America, and exercise their right of free speech? Anywhere? How about the middle of an intersection? On a freeway overpass? How about blocking access to public buildings, like city halls, libraries, schools? Is it okay to block access to a hospital to protest nurse's salaries? Block fire vehicles inside fire stations to protest a new fire tax?

    Is it okay for them to pitch tents in your front yard, block access to your house and protest you?

    Sorry but your statement is ridiculous on its face. There always have been and always will be limits to how, where, and what can be exercised as free speech.
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    Re: Police beat war veterans in assault on Occupy Boston

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    I missed that. After taking two hours to get from the airport to the Hampton Inn (the one on Southbridge) I just went to restaurants with in 1/4 mile of the hotel.
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