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    When consumers wanted it, entrepreneurs created it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    When consumers wanted it, entrepreneurs created it.
    Are you telling me that consumers did not want a phone that could stream movies 5 years ago? You're funny, guy.

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    Yeah, otherwise they would have sold them here. Sushi has been around for hundreds of years, but only accepted in America for a few decades.

    300,000,000 consumers can't be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Yeah, otherwise they would have sold them here. Sushi has been around for hundreds of years, but only accepted in America for a few decades.

    300,000,000 consumers can't be wrong.
    Quit it, guy. You're killing me. You are comparing sushi (which actually does sell pretty well here) to cell phones that can stream media? I'd say those were accepted, hmm, well about the first day they were sold. Are you or are you not going to admit that America's unwillingness to invest in infrastructure is the reason we fell behind on that market? (I think I know the answer already)

    Also, you truly believe that if you asked the average person on the street 5 years ago, "Would you like a cell phone that can stream media and access the internet anywhere?", that they would have said, "No"? I don't think so.
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    Government's gift to managed telecommunications policy and infrastructure was decades of the rotary phone.

    I'll put my money on Steve Jobs, or the next Steve Jobs, if there ever is one again.

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    Why Japan’s Smartphones Haven’t Gone Global - NYTimes.com
    TOKYO — At first glance, Japanese cellphones are a gadget lover’s dream: ready for Internet and e-mail, they double as credit cards, boarding passes and even body-fat calculators.

    But it is hard to find anyone in Chicago or London using a Japanese phone like a Panasonic, a Sharp or an NEC. Despite years of dabbling in overseas markets, Japan’s handset makers have little presence beyond the country’s shores.

    “Japan is years ahead in any innovation. But it hasn’t been able to get business out of it,” said Gerhard Fasol, president of the Tokyo-based IT consulting firm, Eurotechnology Japan.

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    Indeed, Japanese makers thought they had positioned themselves to dominate the age of digital data. But Japanese cellphone makers were a little too clever. The industry turned increasingly inward. In the 1990s, they set a standard for the second-generation network that was rejected everywhere else. Carriers created fenced-in Web services, like i-Mode. Those mobile Web universes fostered huge e-commerce and content markets within Japan, but they have also increased the country’s isolation from the global market.

    Then Japan quickly adopted a third-generation standard in 2001. The rest of the world dallied, essentially making Japanese phones too advanced for most markets.
    That's right, they were on a 3-g market in 2001. We just reached 4g in 2011. We simply did not have the infrastructure to keep up with their phones. It does go on to talk about things that you discussed, such as not liking the way their phones look or interfacing with PCs, but those are simple tweaks more than anything else. If the infrastructure is not there, what is the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reg View Post
    Government's gift to managed telecommunications policy and infrastructure was decades of the rotary phone.

    I'll put my money on Steve Jobs, or the next Steve Jobs, if there ever is one again.
    The only thing Steve Jobs did was take what was already working in Japan and tailor it towards a western market. He made the phones look more sleek and he made interfacing with Apple hardware easy. Other than that, the idea was not his. A marketing genius? Yes. But it was no invention of his.
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    And as I said.. Macs did NOT SELL. I dont care how revolutionary the Mac was at the time, but it simply did not sell. Apple and Steve Jobs were their own worst enemy by not allowing 3rd parties to use the OS and not allowing other manufactures of Macs. It doomed the project long before it started simply because Apple was not as popular as Steve Jobs thought it was. Microsoft was the one that not only made an UI based system but also sold it and spread it to 90+% of the worlds PCs. That is an achievement, not being "first".
    So using your logic I don't care that Microsoft made the tablet PC or Palm or RIM made the smartphone they simply DID NOT SELL. Who cares that they were first? They sold a lot so thats all that matters.

    Talk about being delusional. Do you really expect us to believe the Apple myth that Jobs invented the idea of a company store? Funny.. I remember going into stores of companies back long before Apple even existed.
    I didn't say that. I said they did it right, and many followed their blueprint. Well, in Microsoft's case they just shamelessly replaced everything that said "Apple" and put "Microsoft" in front of it: Microsoft retail store opening in AZ copies freely from Apple Stores | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog

    Seriously.. The disc drive was doomed for a long time but was kept in place because of external factors. Most drivers for printers and so on until relatively recently came on... floppy discs. That was one of the main reasons that the floppy disc drive was kept in service for a long time.

    Only one selling all in one PCs.. is Apple. Will that change.. maybe, but at the moment they are not popular mostly because of price.

    Camera's in monitors.. hmm few monitors have camera's in them.. just saying.

    RIM is still huge outside the US. In fact RIM is outselling Apple in India. Like it or not, a lot of people like a physical keyboard on their phone. Can RIM recover to the glory days of owning the smartphone market... no, but they are hardly dead yet.
    Actually many people got pretty upset about them taking out the floppy when they did it. Apple also isn't the only one selling an all-in-one, the best? Of course. HP however has the best selling all-in-one line in the US with the HP TouchSmart. Also seriously haven't seen cameras in any monitors? Every single laptop comes standard with them. Several external monitors now come with them. Every single all-in-one made. Every single Apple, Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba computer.

    Also saying RIM, which makes several much cheaper and more free offerings than Apple (apple has only one) does better in a third-world country isn't all that impressive. What is impressive is Apple only has (recently) three phones on the market at the same time and makes up nearly 20% of the worldwide smartphone market, being the most popular single phone in several countries (US, Japan, Canada, England) and while Android has nearly half the market now, that is also with 25x+ more phones released in the same time period Apple does.
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    A Microsoft store would never work because PC/Microsoft people are not brand-loyal, brain-dead consumers. We do not care about each other, we wouldn't go visit the store to look for new accessories to buy every day (have you ever seen an Apple store? WTF are all those people doing in there all the time?). Also, since Microsoft was forced to split up its hardware and software operations, what would they really sell? Who would buy a Microsoft PC? Nobody that uses Microsoft is that dumb. Here is what Apple has done:

    They have built a franchise around which its users are completely dependent on them. In my opinion, it's not a good business model, but for now it is slowly working for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    A Microsoft store would never work because PC/Microsoft people are not brand-loyal, brain-dead consumers. We do not care about each other, we wouldn't go visit the store to look for new accessories to buy every day (have you ever seen an Apple store? WTF are all those people doing in there all the time?). Also, since Microsoft was forced to split up its hardware and software operations, what would they really sell? Who would buy a Microsoft PC? Nobody that uses Microsoft is that dumb. Here is what Apple has done:

    They have built a franchise around which its users are completely dependent on them. In my opinion, it's not a good business model, but for now it is slowly working for them.
    "Slowly working" enough that they are the most valuable company in the world. "Slowly working" enough that both Microsoft and Google have bought hardware makers such as Nokia and Motorola. One of computing pioneers, Alan Kay said it best:

    People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    "Slowly working" enough that they are the most valuable company in the world. "Slowly working" enough that both Microsoft and Google have bought hardware makers such as Nokia and Motorola. One of computing pioneers, Alan Kay said it best:

    People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.
    Microsoft cannot even tie software with their software, so I can only imagine if they tried forcing an inclusive market like Apple has done. Hell, I do not know if you remember the giant anti-trust lawsuit against Microsoft because of IE's large market share? How Apple has avoided these issues is beyond me, since you cannot really use any of their products without using their software and, often, more of their hardware. It's quite the racket Apple has running.

    Yes, their job marketing tablets and phones has done them wonders, but they'll always have a few glaring issues:

    1) Because of their marketing campaigns, they have ostracized themselves to a large portion of the population
    2) Their determination to make users buy and use their hardware and software also limits themselves to a certain portion of the population
    3) The pricing schemes set up by Apple are outrageous. Their cheapest desktop computer is $1,200! Are you kidding me?

    Of course, they do have brand loyal customers, which is a positive attribute for them. For instance, you can never tell any person with an iPhone that there is a better option out there.

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