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    Re: Fukushima plant crisis could erupt

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    You admit that something is in theory and then say that worry is unwarranted?

    I can't count the number of times that people have said modern reactors are safe, that they are far more reliable than something from the stone-age Chernobyl era. Yet here we are, with a nuclear crisis in Japan, in one of the world's most modern and maintained reactor sites.

    The very earth that reactors are built on is not guaranteed to be stable. Fukishima proved that. To say that all variables are taken care of is, frankly, very arrogant. The Fukishima region is screwed, for all intents and purposes, forever. Even a slimy, disgusting tailing pond from oil extraction could still recover, and have new life there, while another area remains nuclear for ages more.

    We don't even have fool proof ways of storing spend fuel. Our solution has been to just put it deep underground. Well, the ground moves, geology changes. The continents themselves are in perpetual motion. What if in 10,000 years (when we could be theoretically be gone), mother nature decides to split the earth right where we've stored all this crap? It would destroy everything - again.
    Did you miss the picture I posted? The Chernobyl exclusion zone is practically a wildlife reserve. And yes, the wildlife there has some health issues that wildlife in other places doesn't... but that's no less than you could say about your most recent oil spill, or areas contaminated with coal soot. Honestly, breathing smoggy air on a daily basis is probably worse for you than living in the exclusion zone would be, assuming you were smart enough to stay away from the sarcophagus itself. As for storing the fuel, most of it is actually recyclable in certain types of reactors. You guys are into recycling, right?
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    Re: Fukushima plant crisis could erupt

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    And yes, the wildlife there has some health issues that wildlife in other places doesn't.
    Wired Magazine had a piece on that. Animals there have some pretty wild mutations.

    As for storing the fuel, most of it is actually recyclable in certain types of reactors. You guys are into recycling, right?
    Sorta. The US doesn't reprocess out of security concerns which are pretty valid considering how bad our nuclear civilian security is.
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    Re: Fukushima plant crisis could erupt

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Wired Magazine had a piece on that. Animals there have some pretty wild mutations.
    Here's an article from Wired about Chernobyl. Apparently the animals are thriving
    Is Chernobyl a Wild Kingdom or a Radioactive Den of Decay? | Magazine

    Found some good stuff here about pebble-reactors. I thought the USN was already using them. Apparently not. Still, they look promising.
    The Nuclear Green Revolution: Future Ship Propulsion

    Here's a link to an interesting article comparing energy related deaths
    Deaths per TWH by energy source
    Here's an excerpt from it. Of course, coal is by far the worst. Nuclear - even safer than solar [bold by me]:
    Energy Source Death Rate (deaths per TWh)

    Coal – world average 161 (26% of world energy, 50% of electricity)
    Coal – China 278
    Coal – USA 15
    Oil 36 (36% of world energy)
    Natural Gas 4 (21% of world energy)
    Biofuel/Biomass 12
    Peat 12
    Solar (rooftop) 0.44 (less than 0.1% of world energy)
    Wind 0.15 (less than 1% of world energy)
    Hydro 0.10 (europe death rate, 2.2% of world energy)
    Hydro - world including Banqiao) 1.4 (about 2500 TWh/yr and 171,000 Banqiao dead)
    Nuclear 0.04 (5.9% of world energy)


    UPDATE: I have taken a comprehensive look at lowering deaths per terawatt hour from energy

    A superior form of solar power would be the Coolearth concentrated solar power system which would be installed on the ground or wires over a ground installation.

    Rooftop solar is several times more dangerous than nuclear power and wind power. It is still much, much safer than coal and oil, because those have a lot of air pollution deaths.

    Rooftop solar can be safer [0.44 up to 0.83 death per twh each year). If the rooftop solar is part of the shingle so you do not put the roof up more than once and do not increase maintenance then that is ok too. Or if you had a robotic system of installation.

    World average for coal is about 161 deaths per TWh.
    In the USA about 30,000 deaths/year from coal pollution from 2000 TWh.
    15 deaths per TWh.
    In China about 500,000 deaths/year from coal pollution from 1800 TWh.
    278 deaths per TWh.

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    Re: Fukushima plant crisis could erupt

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Yeah. All the contamination was local. That's the difference between a five and a seven. Chernobyl seriously contaminated a large part of eastern Europe. Fukushima caused slightly increased radiation levels in Tokyo for like 2 days.
    Right, and all those radioactive ocean fish know that they are supposed to stay close to Fukushima because it is a local event.

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    Re: Fukushima plant crisis could erupt

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Right, and all those radioactive ocean fish know that they are supposed to stay close to Fukushima because it is a local event.
    Radioactive fish.



    Maybe your problem is that you think "radioactive" automatically means "dangerous." Like I said before, you are radioactive. Spooning with your wife exposes her to radiation.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Fukushima plant crisis could erupt

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Radioactive fish.



    Maybe your problem is that you think "radioactive" automatically means "dangerous." Like I said before, you are radioactive. Spooning with your wife exposes her to radiation.
    How'd you know I was radiating? You been talkin' wit ya wife bout me. She's talkin' too much.

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