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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    umm let me see if I get this right...was it Streptococus
    After I posted this I got curious and Googled flesh eating disease, I think it was the other one, necro fascilites or something like that. Doc told me to burn my dressings in the wood stove after I changed them and dont let anyone in my home touch any food container I ate from. When I handed my perscription too the pharmicist with my bandaged up finger he looked horrified and almost dropped my perscription.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

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    Monsanto GMOs Linked To Organ Failure.m4v - YouTube - this is about a type of corn only, but it goes into how Monsanto marketed a product they knew was not safe and withheld info from the FDA and it equivalents in other countries. It came out after a whistle-blower sent a secret internal report to the media.

    Glyphosate-Based Herbicides Produce Teratogenic Effects on Vertebrates by Impairing Retinoic Acid Signaling - Chemical Research in Toxicology (ACS Publications) - A true research study that shows detriment to humans and animals from increased exposure to Round Up and herbicides in the same category.

    This is frankly quite frightening. I could not locate a single study done since since 2005 that states that GM are safe. I saw multiple reports of people doing the research being told that adverse research findings would not be published in the US. The three areas of concern seem to be:

    (1) the GM plant is altered to produce toxins to deter insects. Some of these toxins were already know to be toxic to humans and others have been found to be detrimental to humans and livestock as well (cause birth defects, cancer, sterility and loss of pregnancy, disturbances in endocrine and immune system function). Unlike externally applied pesticides, these cannot be withheld for a period before the food is harvested as the plant itself has been modified to make its own pesticide(s).

    (2) the toxins above also seem to kill off bacteria than normally would kill off harmful viruses and bacteria that can invade foods - including the topic of this thread

    (3) The plants are resistant to glyphosate-based herbicides like Round-up. This means growers use the herbicide instead of manual weeding which results in foods coming to market with higher concentrations of the herbicide residue. The increased residue has been shown to cause endocrine problems, loss of weight and failure to thrive in the young and old and seems to raise the risk for cancer
    Bt Corn is I believe what you are talking about. I have concerns about it as the corn itself is producing the insecticide, rather then insecticide being applied to it. That means the insecticide can not be washed off, or degrade over time after application. People or animals are eating the corn with the insecticide in it.

    Glyphosate is a different matter

    Glyphosate is related to the organo phosphate group of chemicals of which some chemical weapons are derived (glyphosate is not a chemical weapon). However I would suggest and so do all instructions for the use of glyphosate to limit exposure to the chemical. Over course some farmers will not follow the guildline and expose their workers to it or to other pesticides. As for weeds resistance to Glyphosate, that truely means in the long run less glyphosate being used. Monsanto has been providing other herbicides like Dicamba to farmers free of charge in order to help control weeds Glyphosate can not kill anymore. Dicamba despite being an older chemical is fairly expensive, $18/kg. Farmers are going to have to rotate crops instead of planting Round Up ready Corn every year in the same fields as a means to limit the development of glyphosate resistant weeds. Manual weeding has not occurred in North America on cereal crops, canola, corn in decades. The farms are too big, and labour too expensive. Most herbicides are good enough to take care of the weeds provided a proper rotation in the use of herbicides (different groups every year or every other year.

    The EPA does regulate the amount of residue on foods that is acceptable and it does a fairly good job in that regard. But I would still recommend washing all fruits (especially those covered in wax like apples) to reduce any potential residues on them.

    I work with various herbicides, fungicides and insecticides on a daily basis. The exposure myself and my coworkers is greater then anyone but farmer workers dealing with corrupt uncaring boss's will be exposed to (or Chinese chemical factory workers). They are generally safe and do not pose a large risk to people eating various foods. The restrictions placed on the various chemicals today are far greater then in the past and as such increased the safety levels for people and animals
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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    After I posted this I got curious and Googled flesh eating disease, I think it was the other one, necro fascilites or something like that. Doc told me to burn my dressings in the wood stove after I changed them and dont let anyone in my home touch any food container I ate from. When I handed my perscription too the pharmicist with my bandaged up finger he looked horrified and almost dropped my perscription.
    Type I describes a polymicrobial infection, whereas Type II describes a monomicrobial infection. Many types of bacteria can cause necrotizing fasciitis (e.g., Group A streptococcus (Streptococcus pyogenes), Staphylococcus aureus, Vibrio vulnificus, Clostridium perfringens, Bacteroides fragilis). Such infections are more likely to occur in people with compromised immune systems.[2]
    Necrotizing fasciitis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I think you were very lucky not to have had to get your finger if not your arm amputated. That is a scary disease
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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    After I posted this I got curious and Googled flesh eating disease, I think it was the other one, necro fascilites or something like that. Doc told me to burn my dressings in the wood stove after I changed them and dont let anyone in my home touch any food container I ate from. When I handed my perscription too the pharmicist with my bandaged up finger he looked horrified and almost dropped my perscription.
    Necrotizing fasciitis is a descriptive term. Necrotizing refers to something that causes tissue death. A number of bacteria can cause it (and since you were given an antibiotic, it was bacterial, not viral). Given the reaction of the medical personnel my guess would yours was Streptococcus pyogenes- the most deadly bacteria that can cause this.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    After I posted this I got curious and Googled flesh eating disease, I think it was the other one, necro fascilites or something like that. Doc told me to burn my dressings in the wood stove after I changed them and dont let anyone in my home touch any food container I ate from. When I handed my perscription too the pharmicist with my bandaged up finger he looked horrified and almost dropped my perscription.
    Its a nasty thing...your the only Ive known that ever had it...Ive seen pictures and they horrified me

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    After I posted this I got curious and Googled flesh eating disease, I think it was the other one, necro fascilites or something like that. Doc told me to burn my dressings in the wood stove after I changed them and dont let anyone in my home touch any food container I ate from. When I handed my perscription too the pharmicist with my bandaged up finger he looked horrified and almost dropped my perscription.
    glad that you're ok. that's scary stuff.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    After I posted this I got curious and Googled flesh eating disease, I think it was the other one, necro fascilites or something like that. Doc told me to burn my dressings in the wood stove after I changed them and dont let anyone in my home touch any food container I ate from. When I handed my perscription too the pharmicist with my bandaged up finger he looked horrified and almost dropped my perscription.
    Sound like my Dad's situation. He contracted it when he was in a motorcycle accident in 1994 and was hospitalized in a sterilized ward for 3 weeks. (Streptococcus)
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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    You guys are scarin me! At the time I didn't give it alot of thought but now that I research it a bit I don't think I got the best medicle attention. Par for the course in a very small town in Idaho though. Oh well, all's well that ends well as they say.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You guys are scarin me! At the time I didn't give it alot of thought but now that I research it a bit I don't think I got the best medicle attention. Par for the course in a very small town in Idaho though. Oh well, all's well that ends well as they say.
    well there are different strains of it and different people respond - well - differently. My Dad was also recovering from his injuries just due to the crash - his physical condition enabled the bacteria to spread quite rapidly and it infected him internally.

    If yours responded to antibiotics then you were fine - and the other measures were precautionary. I wouldn't worry about it.
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