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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Irradiating food? You've got to be kidding me. That would just kill anything nutritious in it. If you enjoy eating dead food then be my guest. Our food is already crap in this country, might as well add some spent plutonium to the mix. Honestly.

    How about we actually enforce inspection laws on production plants, something that is currently lacking? The industrial food industry makes shortcuts galore and abuses antibiotics, and when the public gets sick from superbugs the government AND food industry acts like the reasons are isolated.

    The problems are systemic. Profits take the priority to human health.
    Oh, I'm not so sure you can overgeneralize in this way. I agree with so much of what you said, but it's just not always true that profits take priority over human health.

    There have been problems such as the peanut-product contamination, and as I recall, one reason was that there weren't enough federal or state inspectors. So that should be worked on. You're so right about this.

    Contaminated water sources create problems, and so does contaminated manure. These are all fixable problems. All states should require inspection of Mexican cattle for tuberculosis, all of them.

    There is only so much money, and where we spend it indicates our priorities. It's just that there are competing first-priorities.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    A lot of our food is now genetically engineered in the US. I wonder if this coupled with the heavy use of pesticides and herbicides the engineering allows (to cut down on manpower needed to produce the foods) could be the reason for the increase in food-borne pathogens. Perhaps 'good' bacteria now being killed off by the chemicals was keeping the food-borne pathogens at bay or the non-genetically engineered plants had a natural resistance that has been lost.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Irradiating food? You've got to be kidding me. That would just kill anything nutritious in it. If you enjoy eating dead food then be my guest. Our food is already crap in this country, might as well add some spent plutonium to the mix. Honestly.

    How about we actually enforce inspection laws on production plants, something that is currently lacking? The industrial food industry makes shortcuts galore and abuses antibiotics, and when the public gets sick from superbugs the government AND food industry acts like the reasons are isolated.

    The problems are systemic. Profits take the priority to human health.

    Food irradiation is a food safety technology that eliminates pathogens, including disease-causing germs, from foods. Like pasteurization of milk, and pressure cooking of canned foods, treating food with ionizing radiation kills bacteria and parasites that would otherwise cause food-borne diseases, a world-wide concern. For example, the food that NASA astronauts eat is sterilized by irradiation to avoid the possibility of food-borne illness in space.

    reduces or eliminates disease-causing pathogens
    does not make food radioactive
    does not change the nutritional value of the food.


    Food Irradiation | RadTown USA | US EPA

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    A lot of our food is now genetically engineered in the US. I wonder if this coupled with the heavy use of pesticides and herbicides the engineering allows (to cut down on manpower needed to produce the foods) could be the reason for the increase in food-borne pathogens. Perhaps 'good' bacteria now being killed off by the chemicals was keeping the food-borne pathogens at bay or the non-genetically engineered plants had a natural resistance that has been lost.
    What heavy use of pesticides and herbicides? Details?

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Irradiating food? You've got to be kidding me. That would just kill anything nutritious in it.
    incorrect. nutrient loss is generally less than freezing, storage, or other processing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal
    If you enjoy eating dead food then be my guest. Our food is already crap in this country, might as well add some spent plutonium to the mix. Honestly.
    it's usually cobalt 60.

    my own diet already includes probiotics. i don't want E. coli 026, 0157 or Salmonella enterica to be a part of that mix, however.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal[/quote
    How about we actually enforce inspection laws on production plants, something that is currently lacking? The industrial food industry makes shortcuts galore and abuses antibiotics, and when the public gets sick from superbugs the government AND food industry acts like the reasons are isolated.
    i agree that inspection and enforcement should be stepped up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal
    The problems are systemic. Profits take the priority to human health.
    agreed. but people have been encountering foodborne pathogens for a lot longer than commercial food processing has been a part of the equation. i would like to have an irradiated choice so i can minimize the risks to my health. if others want to purchase non-irradiated foods, i have no problem with that.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Irradiating food? You've got to be kidding me. That would just kill anything nutritious in it. If you enjoy eating dead food then be my guest. Our food is already crap in this country, might as well add some spent plutonium to the mix. Honestly.

    How about we actually enforce inspection laws on production plants, something that is currently lacking? The industrial food industry makes shortcuts galore and abuses antibiotics, and when the public gets sick from superbugs the government AND food industry acts like the reasons are isolated.

    The problems are systemic. Profits take the priority to human health.
    You should see if the food industry will accept you as a volunteer food inspector, this would help them immensely in regards to the profit problem, you could also possibly bring friends to volunteer as well that way you do not miss a bacteria ...
    The question is more important than the answer!

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What heavy use of pesticides and herbicides? Details?
    Monsanto has genetically engineered plants that can tolerate high levels of pesticides and of its primary herbicide product, Round-up. Being able to use Round up to kill off unwanted vegetation means it takes fewer farm workers to manually remove the weeds. Being able to use high levels of pesticides means less loss of product to insects and small animals so higher yields. Avoiding these chemicals and genetically-altered fruits and vegetables are the reason many people have switched to organic food - and why supermarkets now have whole sections devoted to organic products. Here is a link to a website that gives an understandable overview and seems to present a balanced view of both the pros and cons viewpoints on this technology : Genetically Modified Foods: Harmful or Helpful?

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    The world is becoming overpopulated, nature likes balance. It is just a matter of time until some pandemic or drug resistant bacteria wipes out half of humanity.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I don't remember where I heard this, but I thought some brands of canned foods had been being irradiated for years. Libby's products?
    I don't know about canned products. It seems to me that the canning process itself would kill any pathogenic bacteria so there would be no need for irradiation. However it is common practice nowadays to irradiate many fresh foods. There has been many studies done that show that irradiation doesn't significantly affect the nutritional content of foods. The one exception is thiamine (vitamin B1) and that is not affected enough to cause a deficiency.

    FYI

    Any food that has this symbol on the packaging has been irradiated.

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    Re: Experts fear listeria may be moving into produce

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Monsanto has genetically engineered plants that can tolerate high levels of pesticides and of its primary herbicide product, Round-up. Being able to use Round up to kill off unwanted vegetation means it takes fewer farm workers to manually remove the weeds. Being able to use high levels of pesticides means less loss of product to insects and small animals so higher yields. Avoiding these chemicals and genetically-altered fruits and vegetables are the reason many people have switched to organic food - and why supermarkets now have whole sections devoted to organic products. Here is a link to a website that gives an understandable overview and seems to present a balanced view of both the pros and cons viewpoints on this technology : Genetically Modified Foods: Harmful or Helpful?
    Your link's from 1999. Are there any legit studies since then?

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