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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Using this logic, then the NPP lost credibility when Kissinger won it.
    that's about the time I lost respect for the prize... and it's gone downhill ever since ( with a few exceptions, of course)

    using Nobel;s standards
    "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

    neither Assange nor Bradley deserve the prize... they have done no work to meet those standards.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Originally Posted by Temporal

    As for the Nobel Prize... it lost all credibility when it gave Obama the Peace Prize. Obama has done nothing for peace. He has perpetuated the policies of all administrations before him, and has prolonged wars on multiple fronts that have damaged our economy and reputation. His foreign policy is no better. He's a shill just like any other President.
    Very good point it was bad enough when Kissinger received it but when they gave to Obama for doing nothing but conducting an apology and blame America first tour that pretty much killed it's credibility for all time in my eyes.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prove some kind of intent on the part of the American personel. Prove that those men weren't the enemy. Prove they weren't armed--one of them is carrying what appears to be what looks like a squad machine gun. Give us the identification and credible back ground information on every person that was fired upon in that group and prove that they didn't have and never did have any kind of connection to any insurgent group operating in Iraq.

    You're all about due process, right? I'm not a lawyer--far from it--but if I was a jury member, those are the questions that I would want answered before I called these men guilty of a crime.
    The point is there are obviously unarmed people in the cross fire. (hence every single adult was killed) And the decission to fire was made even though the people never fired one shot. (never to their death) If you stand by what you say then you are saying militairy law makes it ok to kill unarmed people standing around people with guns when a shot was never fired.

    Militairy law makes it ok for a gunship to light up an unamred man trying to help out another wounded unarmed man? If so those sound like some ****ed up evil laws that need to be dealt with before stupid people do too much harm with it.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    On a battlefield, you don't wait to get shot at. It's totally ignorant to suggest that we should force our soldiers to follow such rules of engagement.
    But the occupational wars are wars against armed civileans. And civs that didnt volenteer for war that happen to be in the way. These guys were never offered a chance to surrender oven though they were opposed by clearly overwhelming firepower. Killroy vs fish in a barrel. We aren't there to wage war. Our government has our troops being police men with massive kill weapons.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    But the occupational wars are wars against armed civileans. And civs that didnt volenteer for war that happen to be in the way. These guys were never offered a chance to surrender oven though they were opposed by clearly overwhelming firepower. Killroy vs fish in a barrel. We aren't there to wage war. Our government has our troops being police men with massive kill weapons.
    If you want to be pissed off at someone, you need to be pissed off at the insurgents, because they are the ones that created the combat environment that is the modern day battlefield. They, are the ones that are doing the most to cause non-combatant casualties.

    Or, you need to do one of two things:

    1) Accept the fact that civilians casualties are a by-product of war ahd have been since the beginning of time, or 2) Take your butt to the recruiting station, first thing tomorrow, enlist, branch infantry and go effect a change.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    The point is there are obviously unarmed people in the cross fire. (hence every single adult was killed) And the decission to fire was made even though the people never fired one shot. (never to their death) If you stand by what you say then you are saying militairy law makes it ok to kill unarmed people standing around people with guns when a shot was never fired.

    Militairy law makes it ok for a gunship to light up an unamred man trying to help out another wounded unarmed man? If so those sound like some ****ed up evil laws that need to be dealt with before stupid people do too much harm with it.
    The ROEs allow for what they did there. And you keep repeating "unarmed," implying that this was known by the crews of the gunships. They understandably mistook their cameras for RPGs. Watch the video. Its pretty easy to see how they made that mistake. The guy with the camera was crouching behind a wall and the gunship crews mistook the long tubular thing in his hand (camera w/ telephoto lens) for an RPG. The video actually exonerates the gunship crews.

    I'd bet the just about anyone watching that video, objectively, could see how this occurs. Bottom line, they thought the entire group was armed hostiles. Hostiles in an extremely active combat zone.

    And as far as the unarmed guy, assuming you mean the van that pulled up. Yeah, they're authorized to engage to prevent the recovery of weapons on scene.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    "Thus the Arab Spring, as it has been termed, is well-represented in the Nobel Peace Prize nominees this year, and with good reason: It was a remarkable grassroots revolution that is still changing the North African and Middle East dynamic and, indeed, the world."



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    Sorry, DemSocialist - your article begins with a false premise ...

    Revolution, possibly. Grassroots, definately not.

    Wikileaks exposes U.S. role

    "An article entitled "U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition groups" by Craig Whitlock (Washington Post, April 18) described in great detail the information contained in U.S. diplomatic cables that Wikileaks had sent to news agencies around the world and posted on its web site. The article summarizes what these State Department cables reveal about the secret funding of Syrian political opposition groups, including the beaming of anti-government programming into the country via satellite television."


    The Arab American News - Syria and U.S. imperialism
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    I am heartened to see some of the hard core libs in this forum that always take the left wing side see these two scum bags for what they are. There is hope

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you want to be pissed off at someone, you need to be pissed off at the insurgents, because they are the ones that created the combat environment that is the modern day battlefield. They, are the ones that are doing the most to cause non-combatant casualties.
    The reason there is an insurgency, mein fiend, is because U.S. troops opened fire on unarmed civillians protesting the closure of their newspaper, early in the occupation. The Iraqi CPA would not tolerate any criticism of its policies. There never was sectarian violence, that was a cover story invented by the lamestream media to hide the U.S. training of the Wolf Brigade death squads.

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