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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    I do think Assange's work is crucial in our times. After the high profile wikileaks stories hitting the global media, the loopholes in our international reporting were closed. He has made several good points about how the nature of the press is changing for the worst, and that freedom of speech and press are on the decline due to globalized and powerful influences.

    Manning betrayed the army and for that he should be punished, but I do respect that his betrayal was due to moral conflict and not a sincere wish to harm his country. His heart was in the right place even though his loyalty should have already been procured.

    As for the Nobel Prize... it lost all credibility when it gave Obama the Peace Prize. Obama has done nothing for peace. He has perpetuated the policies of all administrations before him, and has prolonged wars on multiple fronts that have damaged our economy and reputation. His foreign policy is no better. He's a shill just like any other President.

    I think of Wangari Maathai who won the peace prize for her tree planting campaign in Kenya that changed the political landscape of her entire country, and then I look at Obama and just shake my head. I don't even know how most politicians could even qualify for something from the Nobel committee, let alone Obama.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    As for the Nobel Prize... it lost all credibility when it gave Obama the Peace Prize. Obama has done nothing for peace. He has perpetuated the policies of all administrations before him, and has prolonged wars on multiple fronts that have damaged our economy and reputation. His foreign policy is no better. He's a shill just like any other President.
    Using this logic, then the NPP lost credibility when Kissinger won it.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Do you feel the same way about whoever leaked Plames CIA work? That put all of her contacts on nonproliferation at risk.
    I feel the same way, except that Plame wasn't an actual covert agent. That aside, I think it's one of the biggest travesties in the history of the country that Richard Armitage walked off, scot free, without being asked a single question about why he exposed Plame's involvement with CIA.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Afghanistan is often considered the longest war in U.S. history. If you want to argue that Vietnam is technically the longest and Afghanistan the second longest, then I am not going to disagree. Either way, we have been over there too long and will be over there for years to come. Hence, it is a quagmire.



    This is pure drivel. You are just a partisan hack with no objective thought in your head.
    You said, "the longest war in history". You didn't clarify.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I feel the same way, except that Plame wasn't an actual covert agent. That aside, I think it's one of the biggest travesties in the history of the country that Richard Armitage walked off, scot free, without being asked a single question about why he exposed Plame's involvement with CIA.
    She wasn't actually a "spy", no. But she did have multiple contacts in her work who were endangered by this revelation. And if not actually in danger of losing their lives, rendered ineffective in one of the most important areas of interest.Nuclear nonproliferation.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Fine. Prove it. Just because he was a journalist, doesn't mean that he wasn't hanging with bad guys.

    Who knows, those people may have been set up by the bad guys, to created a messy kill to score propaganda points.

    At the end of the day, no crime was committed.
    I disagree. An unjust war was initiated with lies. We abrogated the Geneva Conventions. Torture, rendition, sadism, etc. was practiced in our name. These are the guideposts of the war. We reap what we sow. Thank you Manning and Assange. If it is not very public, it will be hard to initiate change.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    She wasn't actually a "spy", no. But she did have multiple contacts in her work who were endangered by this revelation. And if not actually in danger of losing their lives, rendered ineffective in one of the most important areas of interest.Nuclear nonproliferation.
    Actually, she started degrading any covert connections, or status when she married Joe Wilson.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I disagree. An unjust war was initiated with lies.
    Who lied?



    We abrogated the Geneva Conventions.
    No we didn't. We went to Congress and the UN.


    Torture, rendition, sadism, etc. was practiced in our name. These are the guideposts of the war. We reap what we sow. Thank you Manning and Assange. If it is not very public, it will be hard to initiate change.
    The only guidepost in war, is to win and bring back as many of our people intact, as possible. There are no points for good sportsmanship.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who lied?





    No we didn't. We went to Congress and the UN.




    The only guidepost in war, is to win and bring back as many of our people intact, as possible. There are no points for good sportsmanship.
    Who lied? Bush, Cheney, Powell, etc.
    Geneva Conventions. Show me where torture is OK.
    Good sportmanship. The Geneva Conventions are to give some sanity to an insane endeavor (war).

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Who lied? Bush, Cheney, Powell, etc.
    Oh? What did they lie about? They acted on faulty intel, sure, but I've yet to see anyone prove they actually lied

    Geneva Conventions. Show me where torture is OK.
    Show me where in the United States code where we have to lose a war, just so we can play by the rules.


    Good sportmanship. The Geneva Conventions are to give some sanity to an insane endeavor (war).
    Give sanity to war? Might as well stop fooling yourself with that silly notion. The only way to inject sanity into war, is to win it as quickly as possible. Trying to reform war is what's insane.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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