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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    What has he been charged with?
    I don't care about due process for spies; just shoot him.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So a man that hosts a website that reveals governments and makes more governments open is a "scum"... Ok.



    And a man that releases a video that shows an Apache helicopter murdering innocents and releases other information that makes our military and government more open is a "traitor"...

    For some reason i dont understand how these 2 men are "bad"... They released valuable information that should be open to the public because the public needs to know everything that goes on in their country for a democracy to work...
    People who reveal valuable information to boost their own standing and reputation to endanger many people's lives are nothing but scum
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    In my opinion, they are both heroes. I don't believe gov't secrecy should be tolerated. In Manning's case, an obvious "murder for sport" was revealed. The info was classified. Sounds more like hidden and covered up like a cat dropping and then someone uncovered it. Same smell. Assange has to be the contemporary hero of "freedom of the press," and they could use him right now on that Wall Street occupation. The truths about our gov't are iconoclastic facts and the behaviour of the gov't is what must be changed.
    Yes, I'm sure all government secrets should be revealed to the public. The rosters of officers, missile installations, troop movements, everything
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Why? Because Obama got it? Let's call a spade a spade. Just say it.
    You are killing me Smalls.

    BO won the Noble Peace Prize and promptly came back to DC and started two more wars and targeted assassinations around the globe.

    I have a recommendation....maybe the Noble committee should give a humanitarian award to the Libyan rebels that are running around raping women and shooting every black man they find.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I think he leaked a video that shows US troops firing on people that pose no immenent threat. He exposed a warcrime and all who locked him away need to in turn, be locked away.
    How is it a war crime? You can prove a criminal intent to murder non-combatants, in cold blood, just for the hell-of-it? Or, is the reality that there's no way that you, nor anyone else can say with any amount of certainty what the prespective was of the soldiers doing the shooting and that it was just another unfortunate incident that happens in war?

    It's really ****ed up, that American servicemen have to worry more about being fingered for a war crime, than being killed by the enemy.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is it a war crime? You can prove a criminal intent to murder non-combatants, in cold blood, just for the hell-of-it? Or, is the reality that there's no way that you, nor anyone else can say with any amount of certainty what the prespective was of the soldiers doing the shooting and that it was just another unfortunate incident that happens in war?

    It's really ****ed up, that American servicemen have to worry more about being fingered for a war crime, than being killed by the enemy.
    I know what I saw. People trying to crawl away for their lives. Not a single weapon ever pointed up at the apache way high in the sky. There should be a rule that if someone is crawling on their belly with zero weapons you cant shoot them. Let alone opening fire on drivers that haven't been assessed yet. When you are in war you should be 100% certian of your targets or you dont fire. Even if your life is in danger.

    It was obvious the routers guy never had a weapon and yet they go to great lengths to purposely terminate him. After he is obviously just struggling to stay alive, pose no threat. I guess dead witnesses can't defend themselves when it comes to legal battles. Looked alot like a full-snuff operation to me. That chopper wanted to make sure everyone was dead and was indescriminate with no care for what he targeted.

    You could argue thats what had to be done because there are no rules for surrendering to aircraft. So the only option was full-kill. But minutes after this happened this area was swarmed with US foot troops. Seems to me like the chopper gunner wanted to kill them all and let god sort them out before ground troops arrived. Well the dead here didnt volunteer their lives. Our troops did.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    In my opinion Julian Assange needs to be nominated as an enemy combatant and give the similar justice as Anwar al-Aulaqi. Maybe with a little less extreme prejudice.

    Assange is for sure an enemy of the free world. Governments have to have secret papers and operations and Assange has placed the lives of others in jeopardy, and for that he need to be locked up along with anyone on the payroll because it should fall under the RICO Act, because they are involved in criminal acts, in my book.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I know what I saw. People trying to crawl away for their lives. Not a single weapon ever pointed up at the apache way high in the sky. There should be a rule that if someone is crawling on their belly with zero weapons you cant shoot them. Let alone opening fire on drivers that haven't been assessed yet. When you are in war you should be 100% certian of your targets or you dont fire. Even if your life is in danger.

    It was obvious the routers guy never had a weapon and yet they go to great lengths to purposely terminate him. After he is obviously just struggling to stay alive, pose no threat. I guess dead witnesses can't defend themselves when it comes to legal battles. Looked alot like a full-snuff operation to me. That chopper wanted to make sure everyone was dead and was indescriminate with no care for what he targeted.

    You could argue thats what had to be done because there are no rules for surrendering to aircraft. So the only option was full-kill. But minutes after this happened this area was swarmed with US foot troops. Seems to me like the chopper gunner wanted to kill them all and let god sort them out before ground troops arrived. Well the dead here didnt volunteer their lives. Our troops did.
    You know what you saw. There's absolutely no way you can say with any amount of certainty what the pilot and gunner of that gunship saw.

    It may be obvious from watching the video, with replay, slow-motion and pause ability. In a helicopter, with only a couple of seconds to make a decision, it's a completely different story.

    Which all boils down to one thing: There's no more irrational school of thought in the world, than to suggest that an American soldier agreed to sacrifice his life, just to make you feel good. If that's how you feel, then your way past due to enlist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    This is bullcrap. They shouldn't get a Peace Prize for "exposing" things to the public. First of all, they have no idea if they have the whole story. Second of all, we have no idea if they got more of the story that painted things in a different light than what they released. And last, if they really felt something was being covered up, there are legal methods of going about this that do not include putting people in danger for their own selfish reasons.

    I don't know what was in the video or anything else from Wikileaks, since I am not allowed to view it. Of course, I also understand that even if I could view it, I'd probably not know what exactly was going on, nor would I likely have much info about before or after. If they did wrong, they deserve to be punished, but there are still other ways to go about exposing them that would have been a lot better than what was done.
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    Re: Bradley Manning and Julian Assange Both Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I have no respect for the Nobel Peace prize anymore.... so they can give it to whomever they feel like and I won't care...
    I lost respect for that worthless thing when they gave it to Obama for absolutely nothing...its a political toy nothing more...it does not represent any accomplishment

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