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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Another video is here and the link here: New Study: Blondes make men more dumb*|*Raw Replayell i support this. But this small band of protestors will get nothing done.
    Freedom of speech.
    I applaud them

    Thoughts?
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    These guys are veterans. They should know better.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These guys are veterans. They should know better.
    These were the veterans were not the sharpest tacks that the military produced apparently.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    These were the veterans were not the sharpest tacks that the military produced apparently.
    Or, a bunch of them are posers.

    They took an oath to protect the Constitution of The United States and here they are using it to wipe their asses.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And so making 'citizens arrests' left and right is going to ensure the right to assemble peacefully?

    They're not being peaceful - thus - they won't earn peace, they'll just earn and more harsh push-back from law and order. . . which I will support.

    Protest with your voice and your vote - not with your hands and teeth.
    There is a peaceful protest about another national matter going on right now in Pinetop, Arizona. I would be interested to know what your opinion is regarding that protest.










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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These guys are veterans. They should know better.
    Why? And what should they know?










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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That would depend on what kind of revolution... a peaceful revolution or one which Ikari identified which intimated a violent one (ie. "guns").
    My figures are what it takes for a violent revolution to have a chance of success. Below 3% revolutions usually fail. Above 5% and they have a good chance of succeeding.
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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As we are in wars. We haven't focused on one response, but rather expanded once we got there. You can lump it all together under the Forever War if you want.
    Sounds like we must have fought 50 wars back in the 1940s and here I thought they just called it World War II. As for the Forever War, I've never heard of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You can assume anything you want. But depending on the assumption, it may not reflect well upon your intellect.
    My intellect? You're too funny. LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Support of the Forever War (happy? I didn't use a plural there) is support of expanded government, expanded debt, expanded spending. What is it you people are supposed to stand for now?
    What we used to stand for. Win just wars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Words are wind. Anyone can say they want smaller government, but when you back big government, big interventionist, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother government it speaks opposite of your words. Iraq did not threaten OUR safety, not in the least. And what threat do we have? A bunch of people flew some planes into a building.....once. Guess what? Given enough time, we'll have another terrorist attack on our soil proper. They're infrequent, always have been, but they do happen from time to time. I, for one, do not believe that Forever War is the correct approach to dealing with it. In fact, you may put us at greater risk through interventionist means in countries we have no business attacking. Just piss people off, and pissed off people do violent and irrational things....like terrorism. Enjoy the blowback, I won't be on the planes because TSA is well too aggressive. But I suppose some are willing to sacrifice freedom and liberty for a perceived "safety".
    You and I have different views about how to deal with terrorism. You want to coddle them. I want to kill them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Wrong! People do die in war and we need to UNDERSTAND that first off. When you say "3000 people died...we have to do something", you're using death as excuse. But that's a flawed argument because the use of our wars have already more than doubled that number. So it can't be the death of Americans, else you would be well more careful in the conflicts that you call for. 3000 of our innocent die, and that's excuse to go into the place. But we'll throw over 3000 lives of our service men away for it. What's the total number up to in all our operations?
    Do we need to go over the entire history of radical Islamic terrorism and the amount of lives lost? Remember Khobar Towers? Remember the Achille Lauro? Remember the embassy in Dar Es Salaam? Remember the embassy in Nairobi? Remember the Marines in the barracks? Remember the Cole? Remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? And I haven't even named that many of the attacks. They attacked us on 9/11 as they thought our reaction would be your reaction, just as it had been for years. This time we sought to put an end to this radical Islamic terrorism. Our goal was and should be to win. Losing means they will be back again. You are apparently fine with that, but I am not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Afghanistan WAS a legitimate target, back in 2001 as it was appropriate response to the attack on our sovereignty. But that response ends when other sovereign states have done nothing to threaten our sovereignty. Which would mean no Iraq and no Pakistan and none of the other ****. You issue a Declaration of War against Afghanistan, go in there and force them to surrender to our terms. Then you're done, that was the appropriate response. The response not taken. Instead, Forever War is endorsed. We're broke and people still want to engage in Forever War. How the hell are we going to pay for this? ****, all the money we spend there could be better spent on our own People. Without the loss of additional American life.
    The enemy fled Afghanistan and went to Pakistan. The military objective has been to kill the enemy. If you drive them from Afghanistan and then come home, they just go back to where they were and start the cycle over once again with the paper tiger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The idea of war is to force the other side to give up. The last two statements of yours are incredibly sad. Essentially we ****ed up, but we can't accept the **** up because acknowledging it means those dead have died in vain. So instead we're going to FURTHER SACRIFICE more life for the sake of our pride. Your creed is that of Captain Brannigan. Send wave after wave of your own men after them. Not really the best way to go.
    What are all those asterisks for? Can't you provide your thoughts without using profanity? When it comes to military leaders, I hope you do not take offense that I will want a Patton or a Petraeus in charge of the troops and not you. And, I will take a Commander-in-Chief of Bush and even Obama and not you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I prefer to think of it not in the terms of throwing men at a problem until it goes away, but rather my duty...OUR duty to our military. They have committed to give up their lives if necessary for our freedom and our liberty and to protect our sovereignty. It is OUR duty, OUR responsibility to only call upon that commitment when OUR sovereignty is directly threatened. Otherwise you do no service to our military personnel other than think of them as mere pawns to be thrown at foreign conflicts which do not defend our freedom and sovereignty. Which I think is a bit sick.
    I already told you that we differ on why we fight. You don't agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I remember when you conservatives where non-interventionist, non-State building believers. If we could only go back. But instead, we got the big government type throwing wind about being small government but performing no action to prove it.
    I too would like to go back to to where there is not a WTC bombing, planes crashing into the WTC or Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania, or attacking embassies in Africa, or a nightclub in Germany with U.S. military people in it, or barracks, etc., etc., etc. Unfortunately, as long as radical Islamic terrorists want to attack us, we have to beat them back.

    I am fine with most troops leaving Iraq as long as Iraq can defend itself. I am also fine with most troops leaving Afghanistan, but not until the generals say that the time is right. As I recall, they have been talking about 2014. We'll see.
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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    There is a peaceful protest about another national matter going on right now in Pinetop, Arizona. I would be interested to know what your opinion is regarding that protest.
    You know me...I cant resist a good hook...so I bit...I hadnt heard of the peaceful protest at Pinetop per se probably...crap....running out of 'p' words...

    Anyway...so...I went to the web to see what i could find. What I DID find was several articles by 'progressive democrats'. Oh...inpsiring it was. But then...I noticed a trend. Every single one of the articles was directed at a REPUBLICAN. WHy...you would think with all those articles the democrats didnt even EXIST, let alone control both bbodies of congress for 4 years, the house senate AND presidency for 2 years, and still control the presidency and senate. Why...its almost as if...those protestors and the arguments as posited on the progressive democrat website were NOTHING but a bunch of shills and whores for the democrat party. Well...thats what it seems like. I COULD be mistaken.

    But I dont think so.

    ****ing worthless ideologues. They are the scourge of the country.

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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You know me...I cant resist a good hook...so I bit...I hadnt heard of the peaceful protest at Pinetop per se probably...crap....running out of 'p' words...

    Anyway...so...I went to the web to see what i could find. What I DID find was several articles by 'progressive democrats'. Oh...inpsiring it was. But then...I noticed a trend. Every single one of the articles was directed at a REPUBLICAN. WHy...you would think with all those articles the democrats didnt even EXIST, let alone control both bbodies of congress for 4 years, the house senate AND presidency for 2 years, and still control the presidency and senate. Why...its almost as if...those protestors and the arguments as posited on the progressive democrat website were NOTHING but a bunch of shills and whores for the democrat party. Well...thats what it seems like. I COULD be mistaken.

    But I dont think so.

    ****ing worthless ideologues. They are the scourge of the country.

    Tag: Arizona - Tucson Progressive
    LOL! Man, I've just been time warped! Somehow my post ended up in the wrong thread and I wasn't responding to Aunt Spiker! Dayum! I have no idea how that happened.

    Sorry, dude. Sorry Aunt Spiker.










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    Re: Veterans attempt citizens arrest of Rumsfeld in Boston

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Sounds like we must have fought 50 wars back in the 1940s and here I thought they just called it World War II. As for the Forever War, I've never heard of it.
    Ahh yes, refer to the last time we actually declared war. Our last legitimate and just war.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    My intellect? You're too funny. LOL!
    Indeed, if you just resort to standard political hackery like "you want to coddle terrorists" or something or that nature, then it reflects very poorly upon your intellect. Try to use an actual argument instead of kneejerk emotionalized response.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    What we used to stand for. Win just wars.
    We won WW II. Didn't the Republicans get us out of Vietnam? Did we win that? Was that "just"?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    You and I have different views about how to deal with terrorism. You want to coddle them. I want to kill them.
    Surprise surprise, intellectual dishonesty and hyperbole. I never advocated coddling terrorists so don't make stupid arguments please.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Do we need to go over the entire history of radical Islamic terrorism and the amount of lives lost? Remember Khobar Towers? Remember the Achille Lauro? Remember the embassy in Dar Es Salaam? Remember the embassy in Nairobi? Remember the Marines in the barracks? Remember the Cole? Remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? And I haven't even named that many of the attacks. They attacked us on 9/11 as they thought our reaction would be your reaction, just as it had been for years. This time we sought to put an end to this radical Islamic terrorism. Our goal was and should be to win. Losing means they will be back again. You are apparently fine with that, but I am not.
    As I said, attacks on our soil proper (the 50 States) is exceedingly rare. On average maybe 12-15 years apart. And mostly they are not as successful as 9/11 was. It's called statistics, learn it.

    There will ALWAYS be terrorists, BTW. For as long as there are a group of powerless, pissed off people there will be terrorists. Who are we making sure "won't come back" now?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    The enemy fled Afghanistan and went to Pakistan. The military objective has been to kill the enemy. If you drive them from Afghanistan and then come home, they just go back to where they were and start the cycle over once again with the paper tiger.
    But you expand war and invade more and more sovereign nations. You prolong the war, put more Americans at risk, cause a great deal of anti-American sentiment which plays directly into the hands of terrorist recruitment. Forever War is not going to get us out of this mess. It's only going to prolong it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    What are all those asterisks for? Can't you provide your thoughts without using profanity? When it comes to military leaders, I hope you do not take offense that I will want a Patton or a Petraeus in charge of the troops and not you. And, I will take a Commander-in-Chief of Bush and even Obama and not you.
    It's America, I'll say what the **** I want when the **** I want to say it. When it comes to military leaders, I hope you do not take offense that I will want someone intelligent, experienced, who understands concepts such as blowback, and who can actually plan for success instead of duration and not you.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I already told you that we differ on why we fight. You don't agree.
    Yes, yours seemingly is that we fight whenever the hell we want to for as long as we want to, damn the causalities. Mine is that our Military should be used as defense only and that we must properly constrain the government's ability to use it. You know...SMALL GOVERNMENT. But large government supporters probably can't understand it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I too would like to go back to to where there is not a WTC bombing, planes crashing into the WTC or Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania, or attacking embassies in Africa, or a nightclub in Germany with U.S. military people in it, or barracks, etc., etc., etc. Unfortunately, as long as radical Islamic terrorists want to attack us, we have to beat them back.
    So you're at war with an abstract ideal. Nice. What comes after "radical Islamic terrorists"? What's the next fear we'll have to have to support Forever War? Or can we just keep with the "terrorists are out to get us...run for the hills....run for your life! The sky is falling....the sky is FALLING!!!!" forever?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    I am fine with most troops leaving Iraq as long as Iraq can defend itself. I am also fine with most troops leaving Afghanistan, but not until the generals say that the time is right. As I recall, they have been talking about 2014. We'll see.
    I'm sure you are BigGovt. But the Forever War is already the longest conflict that we've fought and there seems to be no actual end in sight. The entire thing was bungled from the beginning and nation building is not something the government was authorized to perform (nor something it's good at, as this experiment has shown). More money, more war, more causalities...friends like that, who needs enemies, eh?
    Last edited by Ikari; 09-30-11 at 02:29 PM.
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