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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    You know what? I say, Iran - if you want to park your ships off the coast of the U.S. in international waters go for it.

    Just don't **** up and get nervous when the U.S. Navy jams every signal, every bit of your radar and is shadowing your every move. Also, there's no need to get nervous when we do fly by's, and park our destroyers and frigates as well as an aircraft carrier within a few minutes strike distance to turn your navy into small bits of shrapnel. Whatever you do, don't get jumpy when there are multiple attack submarines tailing you without your knowledge both to and from Iran's waters, and don't be frightened with the Sixth Fleet parks itself off the coast of Iran in kind.

    Have a great time sailing to the United States!
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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Behind the Iranian theocratic regime of apocalyptic twelvers are 70 mln people. They're 25 yrs on average, and they don't need this crap. While our internet heroes go to sleep, their nightmare goes on.

    You don't have to take it serious, you can accept the fact they use the US as a scapegoat. As soon as the US is followed by the next super power, they'll have to protect the straits of Hormuz. Maybe in years to come, I get to hear the ayatollah whine about China in his weekly sermons.

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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You know what? I say, Iran - if you want to park your ships off the coast of the U.S. in international waters go for it.

    Just don't **** up and get nervous when the U.S. Navy jams every signal, every bit of your radar and is shadowing your every move. Also, there's no need to get nervous when we do fly by's, and park our destroyers and frigates as well as an aircraft carrier within a few minutes strike distance to turn your navy into small bits of shrapnel. Whatever you do, don't get jumpy when there are multiple attack submarines tailing you without your knowledge both to and from Iran's waters, and don't be frightened with the Sixth Fleet parks itself off the coast of Iran in kind.

    Have a great time sailing to the United States!
    Double thanks. I competely agree. Why it'll even give our boys a chance for some interesting and fun war games!!
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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes, and they are stretched exceedingly thin - and facing deep cuts if the "super committee" doesn't pull off a friggin political miracle.


    the point here isn't that Iran could take on and defeat the US in an offensive naval war; but rather to point out that the US Navy is historically weak at the moment, and likely to only get more so in the near future.
    The US Navy is the strongest Navy in the world, and not only within the world but also in history. Yes the total number of ships was exceeded in times past, but you should know that total numbers are meaningless especially when talking about these kind of wars and navies. There is nothing historically low about the US Navy, don't try to play people into fear.

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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The US Navy is the strongest Navy in the world, and not only within the world but also in history. Yes the total number of ships was exceeded in times past, but you should know that total numbers are meaningless especially when talking about these kind of wars and navies. There is nothing historically low about the US Navy, don't try to play people into fear.
    He was not trying to play into anyones fear...he was merely stating a fact wiseone...he said in his post..quote

    The point here isn't that Iran could take on and defeat the US in an offensive naval war; but rather to point out that the US Navy is historically weak at the moment, and likely to only get more so in the near future.

    He stated clearly the USA didnt have to worry about iran...and the navy has suffered being shortchanged with so many resources going to ground troops in theatre.
    Trust that CPwill would never denigrate the USA or its armed services...hes an active duty marine..

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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    He was not trying to play into anyones fear...he was merely stating a fact wiseone...he said in his post..quote

    The point here isn't that Iran could take on and defeat the US in an offensive naval war; but rather to point out that the US Navy is historically weak at the moment, and likely to only get more so in the near future.

    He stated clearly the USA didnt have to worry about iran...and the navy has suffered being shortchanged with so many resources going to ground troops in theatre.
    Trust that CPwill would never denigrate the USA or its armed services...hes an active duty marine..
    Except its not a fact that the US Navy is historically weak, its more powerful than it or any other navy has been in history, in terms of both absolute power and in comparison to other countries navies its undoubtedly more powerful than ever.

    And thats really the kicker, if we are talking force on force naval comparison, no longer Navy than the US navy today is so far ahead of its peers and potential rivals. We didn't have this kind of clear advantage in the Cold War or either World War. If we are talking about global power projection, again the US navy of today wins, the simple fact that we have more friendly ports around the world, ships which can go their entire lifespan without refueling, larger carriers which can hold more aircraft, better and bigger means of getting the Marines ashore, etc.

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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Except its not a fact that the US Navy is historically weak, its more powerful than it or any other navy has been in history, in terms of both absolute power and in comparison to other countries navies its undoubtedly more powerful than ever.

    And thats really the kicker, if we are talking force on force naval comparison, no longer Navy than the US navy today is so far ahead of its peers and potential rivals. We didn't have this kind of clear advantage in the Cold War or either World War. If we are talking about global power projection, again the US navy of today wins, the simple fact that we have more friendly ports around the world, ships which can go their entire lifespan without refueling, larger carriers which can hold more aircraft, better and bigger means of getting the Marines ashore, etc.
    I dont think CPwill said that it wasnt the most powerful navy in the world...he said its weaker than it has been in the past...personally I dont know...so I am going to graciously back out as a third party to this conversation an apologize for intruding into it

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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The US Navy is the strongest Navy in the world, and not only within the world but also in history. Yes the total number of ships was exceeded in times past, but you should know that total numbers are meaningless especially when talking about these kind of wars and navies. There is nothing historically low about the US Navy, don't try to play people into fear.
    The Iranians have been listening to all the talk about slashing the defense budget.
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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The US Navy is the strongest Navy in the world, and not only within the world but also in history. Yes the total number of ships was exceeded in times past, but you should know that total numbers are meaningless especially when talking about these kind of wars and navies. There is nothing historically low about the US Navy, don't try to play people into fear.
    that is unfortunately incorrect. the US Navy is indeed the strongest in the world, and over the past few decades, has been the strongest in history. It is also, however, shrinking. The worlds deadliest carrier groups are worthless if they aren't there and aren't available. Ships go on tour and rotation just as ground units do - for every ship on the sea there is one in port, one in training; which means you take our already historically small navy and you divide by 3 - that is the number of ships (of whatever power) you have to distribute, and in order for many of them to be effective at all, they have to be distributed in groups. A carrier without a carrier group to defend it is just a big target. So, the reality becomes that you don't need to have a more powerful navy to beat the US Navy... you just need to have more or even roughly equivalent power in the region, and that is becoming increasingly easy, as we decrease our presence. We are about to dip to nine carrier groups if the supercommittee fails to protect the two that will be cut if they fail - that means that we can consistently deploy three. Three carrier groups to cover the worlds' oceans. Power isn't just measured in the raw - it's measured in relation to competitors and it's measured relative at the point of impact - and once we take a look at the relative mission, geography, and local concentrations by others, the story of the Awesome Over Powering US Navy becomes very different indeed.
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    Re: Iran says could deploy navy near U.S. coast: report

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Iranians have been listening to all the talk about slashing the defense budget.
    ...and misunderstanding what that means.

    Two important things to remember are:

    1). The USN will always complain that it doesn't have enough ships to cover all the points it is supposed to cover. The Navy knows that if it keeps complaining then Congress will eventually give them the new ships they want to have. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." This doesn't necessarily mean the Navy can't fight at these "thin spots." It means the Navy wants to be sure its guaranteed a win at all points, all of the time.

    2). News flash: Naval ships can be moved. If a "hot spot" develops anywhere on the globe, the USN will consider if the ships already in that location are enough to deal with that problem. If not, then ships from other locations steam over to the hot spot and within days or even hours, the Navy is not thin at all in that location; it's very thick and extremely dangerous.

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