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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Live in the now and stay on subject. We are broke and dems want to go even more in debt, reps want to at least break even.
    We may have to spend to fix several things before we can balance this budget and start paying down the deficit. This was the thinking that got us out of the great depression and back into prosperity. However, we do need to start ending the pork and trimming the size of govt. now IMO. I am to a limited extend a Libertarian and was once a GOP. Reagan and his failed economics model was what caused me to leave the GOP. The cuts the Tea Party endorses are irresponsible while the economy is this bad.
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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    We may have to spend to fix several things before we can balance this budget and start paying down the deficit. This was the thinking that got us out of the great depression and back into prosperity. However, we do need to start ending the pork and trimming the size of govt. now IMO. I am to a limited extend a Liberation and was once a GOP. Reagan and his failed economics model was what caused me to leave the GOP. The cuts the Tea Party endorses are irresponsible while the economy is this bad.
    I am trying to find something credible in your post .... and it just is not there.

    All of the cuts proposed by such as the Tea Party, which have no official plan of cuts, btw, are not cuts in spending, but cuts in rate of increase. If we only increase spending by 1% per year, we are at a balanced budget in about four years, from a 1.5T deficit now. If we only increase by 2%, then its closer to 8 years.

    Reagan's economy was a masterpiece. He fixed the boondoggle of the 70's, and paved the way for the 90's.

    Clinton had no surplusses. Show me one year where the debt went down. Last time was 1957, btw. Eisenhower, not Clinton. Don't give me smoke and mirrors. Go to the debt. It does not lie. It is practiacally the only thing that does not lie. However, Clinton and the GOP did a marvelous job reducing growth in government, and I do not mean to belittle his efforts. Just claims that he ran any surplusses. He surely did not.

    Not to be confused with Obama the inept jackass. Worst President even, and it ain't close.
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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post

    Not to be confused with Obama the inept jackass. Worst President even, and it ain't close.
    Cons need to study up on history. There were a couple of really bad ones in the 19th Century. Ever hear the name Andrew Johnson?? Must not have.

    In fact, I'm guessing you've also never heard of Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, Warren Harding or Ulysses S. Grant. Next time you're going to make ridiculous claims, at least know what the hell you're talking about.
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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Reagan's economy was a masterpiece. He fixed the boondoggle of the 70's, and paved the way for the 90's.

    Clinton had no surpluses. Show me one year where the debt went down. Last time was 1957, btw. Eisenhower, not Clinton. Don't give me smoke and mirrors. Go to the debt. It does not lie. It is practically the only thing that does not lie. However, Clinton and the GOP did a marvelous job reducing growth in government, and I do not mean to belittle his efforts. Just claims that he ran any surpluses. He surely did not.
    FederalDeficit(1).jpg
    Sure looks like Clinton had a surplus to me. And look at those figures during the Reagan and GWB presidencies and try to tell me with a straight face that Reagan did not start the deficit on its upward spiral.
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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Can we say bipartisanship ? nahhh lol....neither of them would dare take a chance being blamed for holding up disaster relief



    Senate leaders struck a deal Monday that would avert a Sept. 30 government shutdown, a breakthrough that came after the Federal Emergency Management Agency determined that its disaster relief funds would not run out this week.



    Senate deal averts shutdown - Manu Raju and Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com
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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Live in the now and stay on subject. We are broke and dems want to go even more in debt, reps want to at least break even.
    The GOP is fine with running up debt when they're in office. It's only when the democrats are trying to do things that they feel the need to suddenly stand up and be obstructionist and do their very best to break the government.
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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I am trying to find something credible in your post .... and it just is not there.

    All of the cuts proposed by such as the Tea Party, which have no official plan of cuts, btw, are not cuts in spending, but cuts in rate of increase. If we only increase spending by 1% per year, we are at a balanced budget in about four years, from a 1.5T deficit now. If we only increase by 2%, then its closer to 8 years.

    Reagan's economy was a masterpiece. He fixed the boondoggle of the 70's, and paved the way for the 90's.

    Clinton had no surplusses. Show me one year where the debt went down. Last time was 1957, btw. Eisenhower, not Clinton. Don't give me smoke and mirrors. Go to the debt. It does not lie. It is practiacally the only thing that does not lie. However, Clinton and the GOP did a marvelous job reducing growth in government, and I do not mean to belittle his efforts. Just claims that he ran any surplusses. He surely did not.

    Not to be confused with Obama the inept jackass. Worst President even, and it ain't close.
    Bull****. Reagan's policies caused the crash of the early 90's which got George the Elder tossed out on his ear, just like George the Younger's policies created the current mess. As for worst president ever, do you understand the difference between failing to make things better and actively making things worse? He's not a great president by any means, but I think the label of worst president could be more accurately attached to the guy who got us into this in the first place.
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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats fine...but when theres a disaster that no one can control and people need help...thats not the time to play lets pay for games
    Government is not insurance for your hard times. If you need insurance, buy insurance. If you can' afford insurance figure out a way to deal with your problems. Government is not insurance.

    after all the free money the teaparty gives to big oil and votes to keep giving it to them...whos BSin who
    Care to give a example of someone that ran under the tag teaparty that is for big oil subsidies?

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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Bull****. Reagan's policies caused the crash of the early 90's which got George the Elder tossed out on his ear, just like George the Younger's policies created the current mess. As for worst president ever, do you understand the difference between failing to make things better and actively making things worse? He's not a great president by any means, but I think the label of worst president could be more accurately attached to the guy who got us into this in the first place.
    And those polices are?

    Tax cuts? I'm sorry but if that is all you got it's weaksauce.

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    Re: Senate deal averts shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    We may have to spend to fix several things before we can balance this budget and start paying down the deficit. This was the thinking that got us out of the great depression and back into prosperity.

    Spending didn't end the great depression. In fact, all of the big spending projects destroyed the economy every time they were tried. Just like when Obama did it, btw.

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