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Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

samsmart said:
Yeah, and look at how much conservatives are vilifying his administration.
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I made a large point that included many examples and you single out one? Since you singled him out, Bush, Christie and Clinton did at least run a state.
 
1Perry said:
I made a large point that included many examples and you single out one? Since you singled him out, Bush, Christie and Clinton did at least run a state.
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So did Jimmy Carter.
 
1Perry said:
I made a large point that included many examples and you single out one? Since you singled him out, Bush, Christie and Clinton did at least run a state.
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No sense beating the horse Perry, we agree to disagree...im sure we will find something to agree on..:)
 
He is a fiscal conservative, socially moderate, moderate on environmental issues, moderate on cultural issues. I honestly think that when you really get down to it, the Republican primary voters care more about social / cultural issues than fiscal issues. That is why despite the terrible shape the economy is in, they spend a good portion of the debates on social issues. So that could be a problem for someone like Christie that is not a total nutter like much of the base.

That said, I will say it again, his biggest problem is his morbid obesity. Most successful politicians are fitness freaks. Bush ran and biked a lot. Obama is in the gym daily. Scott Brown does triathlons. Half of congress does P90x.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
He is a fiscal conservative, socially moderate, moderate on environmental issues, moderate on cultural issues. I honestly think that when you really get down to it, the Republican primary voters care more about social / cultural issues than fiscal issues. That is why despite the terrible shape the economy is in, they spend a good portion of the debates on social issues. So that could be a problem for someone like Christie that is not a total nutter like much of the base.

That said, I will say it again, his biggest problem is his morbid obesity. Most successful politicians are fitness freaks. Bush ran and biked a lot. Obama is in the gym daily. Scott Brown does triathlons. Half of congress does P90x.
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Well, maybe we need another Taft.
 
His politics and views on social issues are much easier to digest than the Tea-Baggers.

However, this is the same reason why the GOP may reject him, as he is too rational, too logical, and too intelligent.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
He is a fiscal conservative, socially moderate, moderate on environmental issues, moderate on cultural issues. I honestly think that when you really get down to it, the Republican primary voters care more about social / cultural issues than fiscal issues. That is why despite the terrible shape the economy is in, they spend a good portion of the debates on social issues. So that could be a problem for someone like Christie that is not a total nutter like much of the base.
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I haven't watched as it's the Perry/Romney show so I've not been intrested but how many social issues (outside of immigration perhaps) have been discussed during the debates?

That said, I will say it again, his biggest problem is his morbid obesity. Most successful politicians are fitness freaks. Bush ran and biked a lot. Obama is in the gym daily. Scott Brown does triathlons. Half of congress does P90x.
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Cheney has been the walking dead for two decades.
 
Much of this comes from the fast rise of Perry and the even faster fall of Perry due to his performance in the last two debates. While much of the public has not yet caught up, the professionals smell weakness and blood in the water in the Texas governor. I suspect that Palin is also keeping an eye on this and if Christie jumps in that would only make it easier for her to join in also.
 
Thunder said:
His politics and views on social issues are much easier to digest than the Tea-Baggers.
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And yet, it seems they support him. Maybe perceptions are not what many paint them to be?
 
1Perry said:
And yet, it seems they support him. Maybe perceptions are not what many paint them to be?
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If the Tea Party endorses Christie, that means their commitment to their right-wing extremist social values is all for show.
 
Thunder said:
If the Tea Party endorses Christie, that means their commitment to their right-wing extremist social values is all for show.
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Or that your description of them is.
 
1Perry said:
I haven't watched as it's the Perry/Romney show so I've not been intrested but how many social issues (outside of immigration perhaps) have been discussed during the debates?
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Abortion issue, Same Sex Marriage, Don't Ask Don't tell, and an inordinate amount of time in the debates on HPV vaccinations (and vaccinations in general).


Cheney has been the walking dead for two decades.
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And Cheney had no chance at all ever being elected president.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Abortion issue, Same Sex Marriage, Don't Ask Don't tell, and an inordinate amount of time in the debates on HPV vaccinations (and vaccinations in general).
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Other than the HPV issue, standard topics for years.
 
Let Christie gain more prestige and experience first. I fear much of it will be too much hype for now.
 
lpast said:
Christie is no moderate when you have Ann Coulter, William Kristol, Laura Ingraham and other far righters foaming at the mouth for him to run
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Kristol is no far right-winger (well, unless you contrast that to the mainstream of the intellectual class, then yes). Only idiots suggest that. His publication for the past 15 years has been moderate Republican that accept much of the establishment GOP since 1995.
 
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1Perry said:
Other than the HPV issue, standard topics for years.
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I don't disagree with that. However, my point is that the base of the Republican party has always been more concerned with social issues than fiscal issues. That is why social conservatives have always had more of an influence over the party than fiscal conservatives, and that obsession by the base with social and cultural issues (even with an economy as bad as it is) could hurt a social moderate like Christie.

Think about it, Perry is not the most fiscally conservative guy in the race, but he is certainly one of the most socially conservative candidates.
 
I think he's only "reconsidering" to appease all the wealthy east coast backers he needs for his reelection bid. It really would be stupid for him to enter at this point. He'd never get past the fact that he said he doesn't think he is ready a few months ago.
 
I like Christie, I would vote for him. I love how he doesn't take crap from the media that openly tries to smear him.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I don't disagree with that. However, my point is that the base of the Republican party has always been more concerned with social issues than fiscal issues.
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Much of the base supported TARP.

That is why social conservatives have always had more of an influence over the party than fiscal conservatives, and that obsession by the base with social and cultural issues (even with an economy as bad as it is) could hurt a social moderate like Christie.
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O.K. but frame the discussion that way.

Think about it, Perry is not the most fiscally conservative guy in the race, but he is certainly one of the most socially conservative candidates.
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He negated that place with his immigration position. Bachmann is far more socially conservative and she's getting no support.
 
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Christie is Roman Catholic & half Italian. This means he has ZERO chance of getting GOP let alone Tea Party support.
 
Thunder said:
Christie is Roman Catholic & half Italian. This means he has ZERO chance of getting GOP let alone Tea Party support.
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Thunder I dont know where you come up with these ideas...hes half Italian and half Irish and the big guns in the gop are actively courting him...theres a black guy in the whitehouse for god sakes and you dont think a guy thats half italian can get elected ?
 
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