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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Oh please. Some of the most famous and popular conservatives are Catholics, including Pat Buchanon. We have an African American, a Mormon, a woman as serious political candidates for the GOP nomination and you come up with that statement.
    Sorry but there is a difference between allowing a woman, mormon and a black person be able to run for the nomination and being "serious political candidates". Only one remotely serious is Romney and that is only according to the media talking heads. Only thing that counts is when the GOP faithful vote and we have yet see if Romney can overcome the mormon issue, Bachmann the female issue (although she also has the crazy issue to overcome) and Cain the black issue.

    I have no doubt that the GOP has changed over the last 20 years, but fact remains that the GOP is the white males party and they tend to vote for people like themselves.

    I for one dont believe the GOP is ready to elect a black man as their presidential candidate. Steele was only elected as a response to Obama's election victory... an attempt to show that they are not the party of the white man... it backfired as everyone saw through the ploy and the GOP soon turned on their black "talisman".

    I also have a hard time seeing how they can elect a woman, especially Bachmann. Had the female candidate been some what sane, then maybe but the 2 main female candidates are bat crazy and unelectable outside the GOP.

    The religious issue is only key to the religious wingnuts of the right so the question will come down to turnout and % of the vote that are religious wingnuts.

    As for Christie... he has his issues, but they so far are not as gaping as those of the other candidates. His main problem is he is far too moderate on certain policy issues, and that will doom him with the GOP in certain states. And yes his health issues are a major problem. Him standing beside a healthy Obama will bring back the Nixon-Kennedy situation.
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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sorry but there is a difference between allowing a woman, mormon and a black person be able to run for the nomination and being "serious political candidates". Only one remotely serious is Romney and that is only according to the media talking heads. Only thing that counts is when the GOP faithful vote and we have yet see if Romney can overcome the mormon issue, Bachmann the female issue (although she also has the crazy issue to overcome) and Cain the black issue.

    I have no doubt that the GOP has changed over the last 20 years, but fact remains that the GOP is the white males party and they tend to vote for people like themselves.

    I for one dont believe the GOP is ready to elect a black man as their presidential candidate. Steele was only elected as a response to Obama's election victory... an attempt to show that they are not the party of the white man... it backfired as everyone saw through the ploy and the GOP soon turned on their black "talisman".

    I also have a hard time seeing how they can elect a woman, especially Bachmann. Had the female candidate been some what sane, then maybe but the 2 main female candidates are bat crazy and unelectable outside the GOP.

    The religious issue is only key to the religious wingnuts of the right so the question will come down to turnout and % of the vote that are religious wingnuts.

    As for Christie... he has his issues, but they so far are not as gaping as those of the other candidates. His main problem is he is far too moderate on certain policy issues, and that will doom him with the GOP in certain states. And yes his health issues are a major problem. Him standing beside a healthy Obama will bring back the Nixon-Kennedy situation.
    a lot of things can happen in the following months.



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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for Christie... he has his issues, but they so far are not as gaping as those of the other candidates. His main problem is he is far too moderate on certain policy issues, and that will doom him with the GOP in certain states. And yes his health issues are a major problem. Him standing beside a healthy Obama will bring back the Nixon-Kennedy situation.
    Right, Kennedy wasn't a real well man.

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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Right, Kennedy wasn't a real well man.
    Do you even know your political history? Nixon lost that election after looking "sick" compared to Kennedy during the debate. That is what I am referring too.. they will see a fat guy with known health problems up against a lean fit man.
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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Do you even know your political history? Nixon lost that election after looking "sick" compared to Kennedy during the debate. That is what I am referring too.. they will see a fat guy with known health problems up against a lean fit man.
    That is true. people who listened to the debates on the radio said Nixon was the winner while those who viewed on TV said JFK was the winner. For the crucial debate, Nixon had his knee slammed in a car door in North Carolina and was in physical pain and it was obvious he was not well.

    I think the whole 'how one looks' is also hurting Perry. On those debates he comes off like a smirking smartass. That is not a good thing.
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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is true. people who listened to the debates on the radio said Nixon was the winner while those who viewed on TV said JFK was the winner. For the crucial debate, Nixon had his knee slammed in a car door in North Carolina and was in physical pain and it was obvious he was not well.

    I think the whole 'how one looks' is also hurting Perry. On those debates he comes off like a smirking smartass. That is not a good thing.
    Exactly.. Politics of today are very much focused on the exterior as much as the policy of the person. That is why people like Ron Paul, McCain and Christie are fighting with a disadvantage because of their physical issues (age on the first two and obesity on the latter). If a candidate looks sick or gets an episode during the campaign, then he or she are in serious trouble despite it might not being anything. That is why McCain's choice of VP was critical for his bid (and ultimately sank him), and that is why the VP of Ron Paul and to a lesser extent Christie would also be far more critical than Obama's VP choice.

    There is a reason that most politicians are "good looking" more than not... looks sell.
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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Do you even know your political history? Nixon lost that election after looking "sick" compared to Kennedy during the debate. That is what I am referring too.. they will see a fat guy with known health problems up against a lean fit man.
    I knew what you were referring to. I just noted that perceptions are not always what they seem. Nixon was the far healthier one.

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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I knew what you were referring to. I just noted that perceptions are not always what they seem. Nixon was the far healthier one.
    Which is irrelevant.... image > all. His image was that of a sick man at the time.
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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Do you even know your political history? Nixon lost that election after looking "sick" compared to Kennedy during the debate. That is what I am referring too.. they will see a fat guy with known health problems up against a lean fit man.
    How about a lean fit man with a record of accumulating insatiable debt and seemingly never ending economic woes? Think that might impact the race as well?
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    Re: Chris Christie Reconsidering 2012 Run, Will Decide in Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    How about a lean fit man with a record of accumulating insatiable debt and seemingly never ending economic woes? Think that might impact the race as well?
    He would lose...just like the fat kid.....

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