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    Re: Gm moves to China

    They won't. As recognized, they're building this in China to meet Chinese demand. It's a massive and emerging automotive market. If you think China is all bicycles and rickshaws these days, you can kill that noise. They're being very developed, very fast.

    All this is doing is saving them shipping costs. It's independent of all else.

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    By the same token as GM builds cars in China there will be job growth there not here. Perhaps we should look at the bigger picture and say why is the US not adopting China's trade strategy. They have no problem putting in place policies that advantage product made in their country, yet when that is talked about here are we hear is the concern for a trade war.
    I think the issue would be how the policies are enacted and in what markets. The US under Reagan, and Bush 2 have enacted trade policies that restricted foreign trade in the US. The two most notible under Reagan would have been the tariff on foreign (read Japanese) pickups, and the quota on semiconductors. Bush 2 had policies restricting foreign steel imports, Under Obama (IIRC) a tariff on Chinese made tires has been put in place.

    So the US does engage in some policies that do place an advantage on products made in the US, but it is not many.

    Outside of corporate lobbying for free trade, the US also uses access to the US market for as a foreign polict tool. This of course will not help in the trade balance
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My first thought on this was if GM wanted lower labor cost why not move to a right to work state, your post reminds me why. Interesting how Obama is stopping Boeing from building a plant in a right to work state but turns a blind eye to GM building a plant in China. Maybe Boeing should just move to China too. Once again I ask, WTF?????
    Boeign already has moved some production to China
    Boeing's newest China plant to launch production in 2013
    Boeing purchases more than 200 million U.S. dollars worth of products and services every year from China, making it the country's largest buyer of aircraft subassemblies. The company is expected to purchase twice as much by 2015.

    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/08/...ve-to-beijing/

    The CEO of Boeing wants if the following article is true to move even more production and work to China

    Boeing (BA) CEO Jim McNerney is eager to move the company to China. Whether moving Boeing to China means shifting its headquarters from Chicago to Beijing is up in the air. But Boeing already has $600 million in supplier partnerships with China -- such as a deal with Shenyang Aircraft Corporation to build an assembly for the 787's vertical fin. And Stan Sorscher, who spent 20 years at Boeing before taking a post at the Society of Professional Engineers in Aerospace (SPEEA) in 2000, told me that engineers he spoke with believe that McNerney is hooked on the idea of shifting more of Boeing's aircraft development to China.
    Airbus has a final assembly plant in China as well

    The first A320 stamped “Made in China” has rolled out of the factory Airbus opened in Tianjin. It is the first time a major manufacturer has fully assembled an airliner in China, a major landmark for the country’s rapidly growing aviation industry.

    Hoping to satiate China’s voracious appetite for passenger airplanes, production at the factory, pictured above and called the Final Assembly Line, will rise to four aircraft a month by the end of 2011, Airbus said.
    Boeing and its related businesses have created about 20,000 jobs in China to date, including 6,000 employees working directly for Boeing, its subsidiaries and joint ventures.
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think any American can work 80 hours a week for a 75- 120 dollars a month and I imagine that any Chinese worker making that is living a **** hole shack and only feeding their family rice and ramen noodles.

    washingtonpost.com: Chinese Workers Pay for Wal-Mart's Low Prices
    Most of the 2,100 workers here are poor migrants from the countryside who have come to this industrial hub in southern China for jobs that pay about $120 a month.

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    Qin helps make plastic toy trains for Wal-Mart, but says she cannot afford to buy toys for her 9-year-old son. "In four years, they haven't increased the salary," she said.

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    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month

    Your article is somewhat old and the pay structure in parts of China have shifted dramatically. In the richer coastal regions pay is in the range of 3000 rmb per month for lower skilled workers. Which is around $500 USD. Still not a huge amount of money for most, but the costs for Chinese made goods from Chinese companies are not that high either. One reason manufacturing is leaving the coastal regions for the interior of China
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I think you are mistaken if you think GM isn't going to start shipping these cars over here. If they don't, good for them, but I'm betting they do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They won't. As recognized, they're building this in China to meet Chinese demand. It's a massive and emerging automotive market. If you think China is all bicycles and rickshaws these days, you can kill that noise. They're being very developed, very fast.

    All this is doing is saving them shipping costs. It's independent of all else.

    There is a chance GM might export cars made in China to the US in the future. The future being 10 years at least down the road. But exporting cars using a joing venture company does not allow GM to make as much profit as it would if it was a fully owned subsidary(sp). Combined with rising incomes and costs in China, buy the time the quality of Chinese autos would be high enough to export to the US, Mexico could very well be a better alternative
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Boeign already has moved some production to China
    Boeing's newest China plant to launch production in 2013



    Will Boeing move to Beijing? - DailyFinance

    The CEO of Boeing wants if the following article is true to move even more production and work to China



    Airbus has a final assembly plant in China as well


    Boeing and its related businesses have created about 20,000 jobs in China to date, including 6,000 employees working directly for Boeing, its subsidiaries and joint ventures.
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    Interesting links but the main point of my OP was did we save GM so they could go to China? This seems to be lost in the debate, oh well.

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Interesting links but the main point of my OP was did we save GM so they could go to China? This seems to be lost in the debate, oh well.
    Why is it bad for GM to expand into an emerging market?

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Interesting links but the main point of my OP was did we save GM so they could go to China? This seems to be lost in the debate, oh well.[/QUOTE]

    What do you mean go to China?

    GM has and had significant operations in China to serve the Chinese market before the government bailout, GM is basically expanding its operations in China. Should GM shut down all its operations outside the US except for sales? Should it close down Opel, Vauxhal, Holden, SAIC-GM, its manufacturing plants in Mexico?

    I could see people being upset if this was being down to shut down some US operations and open them in China to sell back in the US, but given that is not the case I do not understand why some many are upset
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Interesting links but the main point of my OP was did we save GM so they could go to China? This seems to be lost in the debate, oh well.
    What do you mean go to China?

    GM has and had significant operations in China to serve the Chinese market before the government bailout, GM is basically expanding its operations in China. Should GM shut down all its operations outside the US except for sales? Should it close down Opel, Vauxhal, Holden, SAIC-GM, its manufacturing plants in Mexico?

    I could see people being upset if this was being down to shut down some US operations and open them in China to sell back in the US, but given that is not the case I do not understand why some many are upset[/QUOTE]

    I guess it’s the fact that the first news we hear from GM after we rescue them is they are opening a plant in China, seems like a slap in the face to me. It may be good business but its bad PR which in the long run is bad business; I predict GM goes belly up again. I know I won’t be buying GM.

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Your article is somewhat old and the pay structure in parts of China have shifted dramatically. In the richer coastal regions pay is in the range of 3000 rmb per month for lower skilled workers. Which is around $500 USD.
    Do you have a link to prove this and is this where most of the outsourced factories are?
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