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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Which jobs are they taking to China

    Has any GM employee lost a job from this action at all.
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Am I reading this right? There are assembly line workers making $46/hour? That's $95,680.00 plus low/no premiums for healthcare and "free" pensions?
    No. You tried adding the amount saved per worker to the amount paid to the lower-price replacement workers.

    The amount a worker costs an employer per hour is usually a good bit higher than what the worker makes per hour.

    If I paid a guy $30, he was usually costing me more than $50 an hour.
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    The fair thing to do would be to find out if American workers would like to move to China for a better job.

    Maybe they'll get lucky. Maybe their son will get picked on. Maybe he'll hate it. Maybe he'll seek to defend himself through the instruction of a washed-up maintenance man.

    Wait, that sounds familiar...

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Yes, any employee present and future who would have worked on this. There are a lot of good people in Michigan and other states who would love to go back to work making cars for America and the world. It seems however GM said **** you! to Americans and hello to China.
    The Joint venture is making cars for the Chinese market and will be eligable for credits only avaliable for cars made in China. GM cars made in the US would not be marketable in China due to high price. Meaning no jobs would be created in the US in the first place, as the business case would not support taking such action.

    GM by forming the JV for hybrids and electric vehicles will sell more cars then it would otherwise, make more money then it would have otherwise, it will be able to support more R&D in the US then it would otherwise, GM shareholders will make more money then otherwise. Heck GM might be able to export high value parts to China to be put in these vehicle creating jobs

    But no jobs were lost, and no jobs would have been created in the US if GM did not form this JV. As GM would not be able to have sold the electric/hybrid vehicles in China if they were not made in China (labour costs and the chinese credit)
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Joint venture is making cars for the Chinese market and will be eligable for credits only avaliable for cars made in China. GM cars made in the US would not be marketable in China due to high price. Meaning no jobs would be created in the US in the first place, as the business case would not support taking such action.

    GM by forming the JV for hybrids and electric vehicles will sell more cars then it would otherwise, make more money then it would have otherwise, it will be able to support more R&D in the US then it would otherwise, GM shareholders will make more money then otherwise. Heck GM might be able to export high value parts to China to be put in these vehicle creating jobs

    But no jobs were lost, and no jobs would have been created in the US if GM did not form this JV. As GM would not be able to have sold the electric/hybrid vehicles in China if they were not made in China (labour costs and the chinese credit)
    By the same token as GM builds cars in China there will be job growth there not here. Perhaps we should look at the bigger picture and say why is the US not adopting China's trade strategy. They have no problem putting in place policies that advantage product made in their country, yet when that is talked about here are we hear is the concern for a trade war.

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    To put this into perspective the NLRB said that Boeing could not open a factory it built in South Carolina to when it was expanding capacity for a new jetliner. I guess the lesson from a company that the US bailed out and is still the largest stockholder is forget trying to open plants in the US with all the red tape, go to China!
    My first thought on this was if GM wanted lower labor cost why not move to a right to work state, your post reminds me why. Interesting how Obama is stopping Boeing from building a plant in a right to work state but turns a blind eye to GM building a plant in China. Maybe Boeing should just move to China too. Once again I ask, WTF?????

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    We bail out GM and now they move jobs to China? It makes me ask WTF???????

    GM enters electric car joint venture with Chinese automaker | AHN
    It must because of them thar e-vile unions why they outsourced.Which if that was the case then why didn't they simply move to a right to work state if it was simply a matter of not wanting to deal with unions? Is it because they can get away with requiring workers to work 80 hours a week for 75-120 dollars a month?
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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The fair thing to do would be to find out if American workers would like to move to China for a better job.

    Maybe they'll get lucky. Maybe their son will get picked on. Maybe he'll hate it. Maybe he'll seek to defend himself through the instruction of a washed-up maintenance man.

    Wait, that sounds familiar...
    I do not think any American can work 80 hours a week for a 75- 120 dollars a month and I imagine that any Chinese worker making that is living a **** hole shack and only feeding their family rice and ramen noodles.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer
    Most of the 2,100 workers here are poor migrants from the countryside who have come to this industrial hub in southern China for jobs that pay about $120 a month.

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    Qin helps make plastic toy trains for Wal-Mart, but says she cannot afford to buy toys for her 9-year-old son. "In four years, they haven't increased the salary," she said.

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    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you are against companies shopping for the lowest cost? Good to know you wish to hold them down to your demands but want to turn around and call them greedy bastards. right...
    When they want me to buy the product, yes I do when it comes to government subsidized labor. I agree that unions have shot themselves in the foot but there is no competing with government subsidized labor. You can't do it.

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    Re: Gm moves to China

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    I think you are mistaken if you think GM isn't going to start shipping these cars over here. If they don't, good for them, but I'm betting they do.

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