Why does that change it?It's because of the bail-out mostly.
Looks like one thing that's the same, and one thing that different.They agreed to cuts to get the money. It didn't take them long to start demanding raises. I say it's the same.
What are you talking about? I didn't respond to you until you decided to respond to me when I was talking to someone else.Because this has been a response to my first post.
Are you trying to pretend that this exchange is an offshoot from your first post?
No, it's because your arguments to that point did not reflect reality. Particularly, the claim that "...those still on the hook for the money the government gave GM will not be able to pay it back because the jobs will be in China."Just because you think differently.
Not only is that extremely short term thinking (immediate job loss =/= no different job in the future), it also has no basis in fact.
False.I said that I did not have a problem with them expanding.
Where did you say "This is a good business decision"?You said that I should say it was a good business decision. I did. Just because i wished to discuss possible ramifications is no need for all these accusations.
Here it is so that you can refresh your memory:
Where'd you get that silly idea from?So you just remained quiet about your concerns?
I agreed with them as I was one of them. Whether or not we were right is another story altogether.But those with concerns and that expressed them were right, correct?
But that has no bearing on the current reality.
Not when you are making the claim that these jobs are sustainable. It's entirely on topic when you go making claims like that.Technology is another subject.
That's wishful thinking. There are people who will purchase something simply because it helps their neighbors. I'm actually one of those people. For example, I buy all of my produce locally through a CSA and I shop at locally owned stores as much as possible and I buy American-made products whenever I can.By just doing it. 25 years ago we were told that we could not compete with the quality of the Japanese. Even if the U.S. produced television is a little higher there are many who will purchase it for the reason of it employing their neighbor.
And I pay more for for things because I do this.
I am willing to make that financial sacrifice in order to do my part to help my local economy. But I'm also realistic about how much (or, more correctly, how little) others are willing to do the same.
Over the last 25 years, the only thing I've seen is people in general caring less and less about the "Made in the USA" label and more and more about getting cheap stuff.
If everyone was like me, it'd be a different story, but most people aren't. In fact, if most people were like me, I'd actually agree whoeheartedly that Chinese-made GMs wouldn't sell here. But the fact that many foreign-made cars (including many GM cars) do sell here implies that most people are not like me.
You can't focus on future ramifications by pining away for the path that wasn't chosen. Dealing with reality and making decisions based on that reality is the only way to deal with those future ramifications.Bankruptcy is never the perfect solution. Listening to those who warned GM years ago would have been. No use worrying about future ramifications though, is there?