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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

lpast said:
me thinks this is just starting ....the teaparty has made bitter enemies with their rhetoric against the working class....you can "FEEL" the depth of the passion when you talk to any working class...
I belong to 2 retired police officer groups...its not a union one calls itself a union but theres no negotiating or anything...trust cops have turned on the GOP...and they were always tradtiional allies of the GOP...
Another group I can speak for.. veterans are as enamored with the GOP as they once were either.
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The few coherant arguements we see from the Wall Street protests are among the exact same complaints the Tea Party has. For those who blame snow in October on the Tea Party though they will likely not see that.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
And that is the only money that effects politics ? Wall Street money ? Not union money ? Not the money raised by such as Clinton supporters from the Chinese ?

99% losers.
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The unions are shadows of their former selves yet corporations are now allowed to make anonymous campaign donations. It isn't the unions that protect our rights that we the people are worried about.
 
Catawba said:
They are standing up for a reordering of our national priorities as to what is important to the majority of the country (jobs, affordable healthcare, the environment) not more wealth for a small percentage of the wealthy.
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Which majority was that ? Nov 2010 ?

They are standing up for free stuff. Their version of affordable health care is someone else paying for it. Of jobs are do-nothing government work where they can't be fired and the benefits run forever. And the environment has been getting better for near four decades.

These folks are for stupid. We ain't gonna fix that.
 
Catawba said:
The unions are shadows of their former selves yet corporations are now allowed to make anonymous campaign donations. It isn't the unions that protect our rights that we the people are worried about.
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Unions give millions and millions to influence elections. Be for this or against it or be dismissed.

Public-Employees Union Now Leads All Groups in Independent Election Outlays

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303339504575566481761790288.html

Do you support ending monied influence or only when you disagree with where they spend the money?
 
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Catawba said:
The unions are shadows of their former selves yet corporations are now allowed to make anonymous campaign donations. It isn't the unions that protect our rights that we the people are worried about.
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Nov 2010. And it appears the Dems have not learned from their mistakes.

So they repeat in Nov 2012. See you here. ;)
 
Caine said:
And what did the policemen do to deserve rocks thrown at them?

Oh, wait, they showed up to maintain order... how dare they!?!?!
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The cops break the law by arresting us.

BTW - Michael Moore has another book tour. How many more books do we need by liberal weak knee'd dweebazoids like Eric Alterman,Cent Uygar, and Larry O'Donnell, so the elitist rich can jet first class to a camera ready
"movement"?
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Which majority was that ? Nov 2010 ?

They are standing up for free stuff. Their version of affordable health care is someone else paying for it. Of jobs are do-nothing government work where they can't be fired and the benefits run forever. And the environment has been getting better for near four decades.

These folks are for stupid. We ain't gonna fix that.
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I think you've become a little meme addled.

Repeating the same thing over and over causes some to BELIEVE said thing.

It doesn't actually make it TRUE.

Your free Cognitive Linguistics lesson for today.

Or in other words: Been here, heard this, don't buy it.
 
1Perry said:
Unions give millions and millions to influence elections. Be for this or against it or be dismissed.

Public-Employees Union Now Leads All Groups in Independent Election Outlays

Public-Employees Union Is Now Campaign's Big Spender - WSJ.com

Do you support ending monied influence or only when you disagree with where they spend the money?
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Like the people from my home country of Germany learned only too well in the not to distant past, I support the unions as they protect people's rights. I prefer that to domination by corporations who only seek to protect the rights of their profits.
 
"Paul Stoller, 10.05.2011
Professor of Anthropology, West Chester University; Author, 'The Power of the Between'

Facing an economic, social and political future of limited possibility, the presence of the Occupy Wall Street community is compelling us to wake up to our bleak reality and take action to secure the future."


"David Paul, 10.05.2011
President, Fiscal Strategies Group

A decade of borrowing and greed finally culminated in the collapse of Wall Street, and it has taken three years for any visible protests to bubble to the surface.


Republican Presidential Candidate Endorses Wall Street Protests
Ian Fletcher, 10.05.2011
Author, 'Free Trade Doesn't Work: What Should Replace It and Why'

I was on the phone talking trade policy with Gov. Roemer this morning, and so far, he's by far the best Republican candidate on the issue of trade and its Wall Street connection.


Occupy Wall Street: Los Angeles Branch
Jack Rothman, 10.05.2011
Professor Emeritus at the UCLA School of Public Affairs

I spent Sunday afternoon at the Occupy Los Angeles encampment on the south lawn of City Hall. For a new and inexperienced group, there was more organizational acumen in evidence than I would have expected."

Occupy Wall Street : Pictures, Videos, Breaking News
 
Catawba said:
You don't know much about non-violent protest do you?
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1Perry said:
So far I'd say the protest is a mixed bag. We'll see if they ever get a coherant message that reasonates but you don't see any interest groups here? (taken from their website)

•AFL-CIO (AFSCME)

•United NY

•Strong Economy for All Coalition

•Working Families Party

•TWU Local 100

•SEIU 1199

•CWA 1109

•RWDSU

•Communications Workers of America

•CWA Local 1180

•United Auto Workers

•United Federation of Teachers

•Professional Staff Congress - CUNY

•National Nurses United

•Citizen Action of NY

•MoveOn.org
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"MoveOn.org" means move on from the Democratic Party, because you're wasting your time.:2razz:
 
Catawba said:
Like the people from my home country of Germany learned only too well in the not to distant past, I support the unions as they protect people's rights. I prefer that to domination by corporations who only seek to protect the rights of their profits.
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Right, big money influencing elections do not actually bother you. Your complaints are dismissed.
 
Kane said:
At least in Europe, the protesters fight back instead of lying there like a dog.

Kick the policemens f-ing asses!
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lol..ok that'll work
 
Kane said:
At least in Europe, the protesters fight back instead of lying there like a dog.

Kick the policemens f-ing asses!
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I really don't see how that's helpful.

Yes a few NYPD officers didn't act in an appropriate manner, and they should be reprimanded for their transgressions BUT that does not excuse people to start attacking officers of the law.
 
the idea of the American dream keeps people working and pacified, because they feel they have a chance within the system to better themselves and the lives of their children.

if the illusion is broken, there will be unrest. put simply, if the average person feels he or she has little to no chance of ever doing better than scraping by, that person will be a lot less likely to let a small percentage of people hold most of the wealth.
 
Helix said:
the idea of the American dream keeps people working and pacified, because they feel they have a chance within the system to better themselves and the lives of their children.

if the illusion is broken, there will be unrest. put simply, if the average person feels he or she has little to no chance of ever doing better than scraping by, that person will be a lot less likely to let a small percentage of people hold most of the wealth.
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I am truly saddened when reading a post like this. People are still finding all sorts of ways to get into this country to have a chance at a better life.

My sense is the thing most broken in this country is the spirit of it's people, not unlike the feeling under the Carter administration.

Yesterday, Steve Jobs passed away. He was the child of a single mom, a college student. He dropped out of college after a year and went on to become a multi-billionaire. That is the greatness of America, and yes it still exists!
 
I hope they hang on long enough for the tea party to realize how much they have in common.

Cuz aren't the tea partiers real pissed about the bailouts, etc?

Hasn't the govt on both sides done nothing about fraudulent activities on the part of banks and wall st.

Seems that sitting at or near the scene of the crime and demanding something be done could actually appeal to some tea partiers.

And might force govt to address something both sides and the middle are pissed about.
 
washunut said:
I am truly saddened when reading a post like this. People are still finding all sorts of ways to get into this country to have a chance at a better life.

My sense is the thing most broken in this country is the spirit of it's people, not unlike the feeling under the Carter administration.

Yesterday, Steve Jobs passed away. He was the child of a single mom, a college student. He dropped out of college after a year and went on to become a multi-billionaire. That is the greatness of America, and yes it still exists!
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my post is not a rallying cry; it's an observation.

in the case of the current protest, a lot of young people are graduating from college into a job market that offers them a chance to work fast food or wait tables if they're lucky. meanwhile, their college debt is crushing. that tends to get people a bit upset.
 
Helix said:
my post is not a rallying cry; it's an observation.

in the case of the current protest, a lot of young people are graduating from college into a job market that offers them a chance to work fast food or wait tables if they're lucky. meanwhile, their college debt is crushing. that tends to get people a bit upset.
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From the statistics I have seen, the jobless rate for college graduates is much lower than the overall rate. We also know that college graduates come in all shapes and sizes. For example, I am told that some number of the protesters are current college kids. If they were dedicated students they would be in class doing their work.

Again, my concern is the feeling by so many in America that they can't succeed.
 
washunut said:
From the statistics I have seen, the jobless rate for college graduates is much lower than the overall rate. We also know that college graduates come in all shapes and sizes. For example, I am told that some number of the protesters are current college kids. If they were dedicated students they would be in class doing their work.

Again, my concern is the feeling by so many in America that they can't succeed.
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that's a concern that i share with you.

this is what i was talking about : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/business/economy/19grads.html
 
1Perry said:
Right, big money influencing elections do not actually bother you. Your complaints are dismissed.
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I prefer no big money from either side. But the reality is that the law was not changed to prevent big money from either side, it was expanded to allow anonymous big money from anyone. That is going from bad to much worse.
 
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