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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

Give this dude a bullhorn!!

All the people standing around watching him havent got a clue what he is saying...thats a funny video. Of course...he lost people as soon as he said "elect Ron Paul"
 
I suspect the men with Washington at valley forge were fairly ripe.

These people are taking their lives in their hands going against the basic American worship of mammon.

If the Boston Tea Party took place today, the rightwing would accuse them of being dirty hippies and demand that they be thrown in jail
 
If the Boston Tea Party took place today, the rightwing would accuse them of being dirty hippies and demand that they be thrown in jail

"As during the Boston Massacre and the mass protests that followed it in the late winter of 1770, "the laboring classes...formed the bulk of actors...at the [Boston] Tea Party" of December 16, 1773. The working, or "laboring," class aspect of the historic event was evident not just in the social composition of the cadres who moved from "Old South" (the Boston meetinghouse where the patriots approved and planned their soon-to-be-famous assault on British tea) to British cargo ships that fateful evening. It was clear also in how the action - remembered in official public memory as "the destruction of the tea" (not "the tea party") until the early 1830's - sent up the refined tea-making rituals of the British elite and its colonial representatives. What came later to be called the Tea Party was, historian Alfred F. Young notes, "a mock enactment of the making of tea. The cry in Old South, 'Boston harbor a teapot tonight,' set the tone. The spirit of the day and night, after two weeks of suspense, was one of festive euphoria. Furthermore,

to "make tea" in Boston harbor mocked the genteel tea ritual. Tea, as Mercy Otis Warren wrote, was "an article used by all ranks in America," but among the better sort the conduct of brewing, pouring, and serving tea was an elaborate, mannered class ritual managed by women. Among the well-to-do, it required the elegant silver teapots, creamers, and sugar bowls crafted by silversmiths like [Boston's Paul] Revere, the tea caddies, serving trays, and tea tables made by skilled woodworkers, and the porcelain cups, saucers, and serving dishes imported from abroad. For the boarding parties - all but a minority of them able to wield block and tackle and lift and break open 350-pound chests - to "make tea" in Boston harbor was a parody of class and gender [and]...another way to channel class resentment.
 
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I lol @ 2:30. Longest 15 min video evvvaa

 
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Well from what I can remember the tea party movement message was simple. End the Fed, & End The Wars. Of course, it got hjack by social cons & neocons in the later years.

This movement end goal solution is wanting socialism from what I can tell. Fatty fat mcfat fat movie has misguided them sadly.

Wrong, the TEA Party was and still are against increased taxes, and out of control spending, but thanks for playing...
Does this make the Wall Street protesters racists now too?
 
It's all fine by me. Our vote has been ineffective in initiating change. Jobs went overseas by the millions and we saved the banks. The Goldman Sachs people go from Goldman Sachs to gov't executives repeatedly. That alone should give weight to the message. SCOTUS gifts Corporate with personhood after the bailing out of the big banks, and a few big Corporations. I thnk the message is "We want our country back!"
 
It's all fine by me. Our vote has been ineffective in initiating change. Jobs went overseas by the millions and we saved the banks. The Goldman Sachs people go from Goldman Sachs to gov't executives repeatedly. That alone should give weight to the message. SCOTUS gifts Corporate with personhood after the bailing out of the big banks, and a few big Corporations. I thnk the message is "We want our country back!"

Did you look at their demands? The list of demands is like usual, give me things. Its a shameless attempt to call people greedy while being greedy.
 
It's all fine by me. Our vote has been ineffective in initiating change. Jobs went overseas by the millions and we saved the banks. The Goldman Sachs people go from Goldman Sachs to gov't executives repeatedly. That alone should give weight to the message. SCOTUS gifts Corporate with personhood after the bailing out of the big banks, and a few big Corporations. I thnk the message is "We want our country back!"

No, that is your message, and I agree with it. It's the not the message being sent.
 
So...the college students now agree with the Tea Party folks? Awesome!

Still think they shouldnt bail out the banks. Still think they shouldnt bail out the private home owners. Still think the government shoudl stop debt spending everyones grandchildren into oblivion.
The left has always accomplished what the right has loudly moaned about. Some things just never change.
 
These wall street protestors are just a bunch of whiners who want free-stuff. When you listen to them on the news they are dunderheads ! Clueless !! They blame Wall Street for what the politicians did !! And these whiners are the first to vote for politicians who will give them their OPM ... other people's money !
 
These wall street protestors are just a bunch of whiners who want free-stuff. When you listen to them on the news they are dunderheads ! Clueless !! They blame Wall Street for what the politicians did !! And these whiners are the first to vote for politicians who will give them their OPM ... other people's money !

You literally have no idea what happened in 2008 and the kind of trading that is still going on do you?
 
The left has always accomplished what the right has loudly moaned about. Some things just never change.
Yes...and this fine collection of leftists are attempting to accomplish...what again? I mean other than the vague generalities that continue to be spewed...what is their goal, their endgame? Hell, most of the interviews that we see you have the same tired talking points repeated by the same variety of fools...some dont know why they are there, but hey...they just want to be part of something...a bunch of them are upset that they have student loans (how is that the banks fault and not the Universities fault?)...etc etc etc. You know the drill...
 
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Wrong, the TEA Party was and still are against increased taxes, and out of control spending

Except for a trillion dollar border fence, though, right?
 
Yes...and this fine collection of leftists are attempting to accomplish...what again? I mean other than the vague generalities that continue to be spewed...what is their goal, their endgame? Hell, most of the interviews that we see you have the same tired talking points repeated by the same variety of fools...some dont know why they are there, but hey...they just want to be part of something...a bunch of them are upset that they have student loans (how is that the banks fault and not the Universities fault?)...etc etc etc. You know the drill...

well, personally, i am hoping they are currently burning through their savings / daddy's patience; either of which will result in them having to go home, get a job, and maybe (hopefully) grow up.


though, as someone who has repeatedly argued that my generation has been scammed into going to college en masse; it's interesting to see the student debt issue brought up again and again. i was listening to one kid being interviewed, and he was explaining that it wasn't fair that he wasn't ever going to be able to pay back the debts he had taken out and would take out in the future, so "someone should help him with that"...... blew my mind. well jackass, did you ever thing gee wiz maybe i should stop taking on all this debt???
 
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Except for a trillion dollar border fence, though, right?
Cite where putting up a fence is identified as out of control spending since border security & citizen safety are both duties of the government and due to the fact that their is no border long fence can you back up the 1 trillion dollar figure as being spent !
 
Yes...and this fine collection of leftists are attempting to accomplish...what again? I mean other than the vague generalities that continue to be spewed...what is their goal, their endgame? Hell, most of the interviews that we see you have the same tired talking points repeated by the same variety of fools...some dont know why they are there, but hey...they just want to be part of something...a bunch of them are upset that they have student loans (how is that the banks fault and not the Universities fault?)...etc etc etc. You know the drill...

I believe they are trying to accomplish some sort of regulation in Wall Street. But hey, if Mitt Romney has anything to do with it, any regulation on Wall Street would require a regulation of similar scale (wtf does that mean?) to be removed! So that's good news.
 
You literally have no idea what happened in 2008 and the kind of trading that is still going on do you?

LOL .... I am laughing so hard. It is you who has no clue how it all worked then, and still works now. And I expect that when you wake up tomorrow, you still will not know how it works.

Liberals vote for free-stuff. It is that simple. It is what started the housing bubble, which had to pop. It is what has given us one giant dependent nanny-state, with folks believing its someone else's fault, Obama out there hollering class warfare, the liberal lemmings going "yup, yup, dat's it!", and meanwhile we are saddled with those biggest of liberal anchors around all of our necks, social security and medicare. And now Obamcare.

So repeat after me liberals : "yup yup, dat's it".
 
LOL .... I am laughing so hard. It is you who has no clue how it all worked then, and still works now. And I expect that when you wake up tomorrow, you still will not know how it works.

Liberals vote for free-stuff. It is that simple. It is what started the housing bubble, which had to pop. It is what has given us one giant dependent nanny-state, with folks believing its someone else's fault, Obama out there hollering class warfare, the liberal lemmings going "yup, yup, dat's it!", and meanwhile we are saddled with those biggest of liberal anchors around all of our necks, social security and medicare. And now Obamcare.

So repeat after me liberals : "yup yup, dat's it".

Yawn. Yes, I only vote for free stuff. So you know about derivatives trading? You have heard of "the big short" and you know what it means? How would you feel if Walmart sold you a TV and then bet that it would break within a year behind your back? You should be laughing, it is quite ridiculous that we allow unethical trading to continue.
 
Yawn. Yes, I only vote for free stuff. So you know about derivatives trading? You have heard of "the big short" and you know what it means? How would you feel if Walmart sold you a TV and then bet that it would break within a year behind your back? You should be laughing, it is quite ridiculous that we allow unethical trading to continue.

If your argument was any good, you would not have to make an absurd analogy with a TV set. Government created the bubble. Everyone tried to make money off it, including a lot of folks who bought, but then did not sell soon enough. They could have rented instead. Regardless of derivatives, the bubble had to pop. That's why they call it a "bubble". Derivatives did not pop the bubble. They did not create the bubble.

Government made the mess. Government interference in basic capitalist markets. But all the libs go "yup yup, dat's it" and blame Wall Street, rich people, and corporate greed. While asking for more free stuff.
 
If your argument was any good, you would not have to make an absurd analogy with a TV set. Government created the bubble. Everyone tried to make money off it, including a lot of folks who bought, but then did not sell soon enough. They could have rented instead. Regardless of derivatives, the bubble had to pop. That's why they call it a "bubble". Derivatives did not pop the bubble. They did not create the bubble.

Government made the mess. Government interference in basic capitalist markets. But all the libs go "yup yup, dat's it" and blame Wall Street, rich people, and corporate greed. While asking for more free stuff.

I was simply trying to explain it since I am almost sure you have no idea what a derivative is, how it works, or what the short position means. You displayed that well when you said: "Everyone tried to make money off it, including a lot of folks who bought, but then did not sell soon enough. They could have rented instead." Two different markets, guy. One is the housing market and the other is the securities/derivatives market. Anyone who "could have rented instead" had little to nothing to do with Goldman Sachs unethically selling securities to Lehman and then shorting their stock.

I would be the first to agree that the government made some wrong turns and really churned out some terrible legislation that aided in created that housing bubble. However, if you think that is the end of the story, then you might want to pick up a newspaper or a book.
 
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What the Wall Street supporters on this thread have conveniently forgotten to mention is that the ranks of OWS is also comprised of libertarians and members of the Tea Party. Soon it will include those rotten and despicable leftists, former U.S. Marines, in uniform.

OWS is a People's movement. You don't have to like it and if you are a corporatist you don't have to agree, but to suggest that the movement is not comprised of conservatives and liberals and Tea Party and Libertarians is incorrect and misinformed.
 
These wall street protestors are just a bunch of whiners who want free-stuff. When you listen to them on the news they are dunderheads ! Clueless !! They blame Wall Street for what the politicians did !! And these whiners are the first to vote for politicians who will give them their OPM ... other people's money !

It's Wall Street that's getting free "stuff", AKA money, billions of dollars of taxpayer money
 
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