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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    i think he needs a hug



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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    English mother ****er.... do you speak it? I can't seem to understand what you are trying to say through all the grammatical errors.

    Ummm..... its obvious you are trolling. You haven't been paying attention.
    You've been reduced to ad homs...proof that you've got nothing
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

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    What do you know Sangha.... right here in this thread........
    You've got nothing, which is why "nothing" is what you quote.

    Your posts are incoherent and babbling nonsense
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    While a couple of their complaints sound nobel, what these moochers are about is more government and redistribution of wealth to them. This is Obama reelection 101.
    And here we have another example of the rightwingers pretending not to know what the protest is about in order to make dishonest claims about what the protests are about

    It's all they can do because they know that they agree with most of the complaints the protesters are making. They just dont like the people who are doing it. Their hate knows no bounds

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    Or you could just try to understand.
    No, the right is working hard to pretend that they don't understand
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    They are: Derivative Definition

    There's no point argueing against financial instruments, it's just a piece of paper, it's how it's used. People can use money for corruption, it doesn't make money a bad financial instrument.

    As to how it's used: it's not easy to regulate the financial markets, it's changing so fast, a lot of the people who uses these new instruments sometimes don't fully understand it, let alone the regulators. These are smart people who are sometimes PhDs in mathematics. If you ban one sort of derivative, another will pop up that do about the same thing but in a way that get around the law. If you ban shorting, you create an imbalance in the market for price discovery. One way it can be improved though is to make the transactions more transparent, though it would costs the firms more.

    These bankers' job is to make money, they deal with abstract numbers and care only about how to move it around so it results in bigger bottom lines, so blaming them for doing their job well doesn't make a lot of sense, if you allow the job to exist. What can be done is highlighting the tie between the money and the politicians, but thousand of years of history have shown that most politicians will do what the money tells them to do.

    BTW, I totally supported the bailout, it would have been much worse for the everyday folks if the banks were allowed to fail, resulting in actual widespread runs on the banks. The FDIC could not pay all the deposits it insured if confidence were not restored to the system.
    I stand corrected
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    I feel bad for the police at the end. It looks claustrophobic where they were, if you were caught in what you think are a hostile group of hundreds of people, wouldn't you act out in defense of yourself?
    If the crowd was truly hostile (as you seem to cater to the notion that its easily percieved) and the police acted like that the "hostile' crowd would show them no mercy and rip them to shreds.

    Then you and them would truly know the meaning of the word hostile.
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    If the crowd was truly hostile (as you seem to cater to the notion that its easily percieved) and the police acted like that the "hostile' crowd would show them no mercy and rip them to shreds.

    Then you and them would truly know the meaning of the word hostile.

    Notice the words "you think". I know the meaning of the word "hostile", it's you who seem to be confusing it with a more extreme meaning.

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    If the crowd "rip them to shreds" then the crowd will not be just "hostile", but rather quite "vicious", and they should be put in jail for a very long time. Maybe they know this and that's why they did not "rip them to shreds". Instead the protestors were out to bait the police into violence to further their own propaganda.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Notice the words "you think". I know the meaning of the word "hostile", it's you who seem to be confusing it with a more extreme meaning.

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    If the crowd "rip them to shreds" then the crowd will not be just "hostile", but rather quite "vicious", and they should be put in jail for a very long time. Maybe they know this and that's why they did not "rip them to shreds". Instead the protestors were out to bait the police into violence to further their own propaganda.
    IMO, you are being disingenous. WHen you originally used the word hostile, it was to justify/explain the polices' use of violence

    if you were caught in what you think are a hostile group of hundreds of people, wouldn't you act out in defense of yourself?
    You were obviously using the first definition, not the other three, in order to misportray the protesters "hostility" as one that threatened the safety of the police because without the threat of violence implied by your use of the word "hostile", the police would have no need to "act out in defense" of themselves.

    And the police are supposed to be professionals, and not get violent in response to "bait". They have rules and laws which govern when they are authorized to use force on american citizens
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    I feel bad for the police at the end. It looks claustrophobic where they were, if you were caught in what you think are a hostile group of hundreds of people, wouldn't you act out in defense of yourself? It's the policeman who went around spraying people indiscriminately that helped these protestors cause. And police actions like seeming to lead the protestors onto the bridge then turn around and arrest them. The protestors are doing about the same thing - baiting the police into violence is also a kind of entrapment.
    They led them ONTO the bridge, they didn't lead them INTO the street (travel lanes).
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    They led them ONTO the bridge, they didn't lead them INTO the street (travel lanes).
    No, the police led them onto the roadway of the bridge. The video I posted clearly shows this, but I know that the police and their syncophants have to deny what their lying eyes are telling them
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