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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

Antiderivative said:
Most of the people who do not pay income taxes are poor and elderly. Blaming them is not the problem.

However, Wall St. has a long history of causing economic crises. Your implication that these dishonest brokers and hedge fund managers are earning their money through blood, sweat, and tears is most laughable. Where I come from, manipulating markets at other people's expense is not considered a hard day's work. When their manipulation and dishonesty catches up to them, what do we do?

We bail them out and give them bonuses and unfortunately, people like yourself would rather displace the problem onto the poor and elderly.
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'Wall Street' again, huh? Man...thats an evil mass of concrete. Who exactly would you like to see targeted?

Im guessing you dont know any brokers. If you dont think the great majority of them bust their ass in an incredibly high pressure field, Im guessing you have never earned enough to invest. Sure...there is corruption. Corrupt INDIVIDUALS should be identified. This mandless "oh the evil banks" "oh waaah, Wall Street is bad" crap is laughable. You realize how many people work there? You realize what would happen to the middle income folks if the banks were to collapse?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
What? The economy is in many ways regulated by the very people with vested interest in how it is regulated. Millions of unemployed can't help that theyre structurally unemployed out of a job. The economy crashes then you blame the people that can't work? Your visceral hate of a perceived class of lazies waiting for a handout is crass.
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Boy you do love to spew leftist bull**** and talking points, dont you. STILL arent doing a very good job of saying who you are going after...what you see as a viable conclusion.

Im guessing you arent actually out there protesting. This is ever the problem when a bunch of idiots inspire a bunch of retards to rebel. The retards yell and scream and at the end of the day...well...London.
 
Antiderivative said:
What fantasy land do you live in? Most of the income distribution that has happened during the 5 decades has been upwards, towards the upper 0.01%. Adjusting for inflation, median household income has not grown since the early 1960's, despite the average becoming more productive.

Where you see a problem of income being distributed downwards, reality has shown that income has unfairly been distributed upwards. The evidence is overwhelming.
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I know...'the rich' are sneaking in your windows at night and stealing your tooth fairy money. Those bastards!

You better have SOMETHING more than just marxist/socialist/leftist talking points. Maybe you and your buddy from the College of William And Mary can figure out just who is paying your bills and how you propose to resolve the worlds problems beyond whining about a street and an industry.
 
VanceMack said:
'Wall Street' again, huh? Man...thats an evil mass of concrete. Who exactly would you like to see targeted?

Im guessing you dont know any brokers. If you dont think the great majority of them bust their ass in an incredibly high pressure field, Im guessing you have never earned enough to invest. Sure...there is corruption. Corrupt INDIVIDUALS should be identified. This mandless "oh the evil banks" "oh waaah, Wall Street is bad" crap is laughable. You realize how many people work there? You realize what would happen to the middle income folks if the banks were to collapse?
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I have been investing since I have been earning a paycheck. Your strawman is duly noticed as well as your ignorance. Anything else from the peanut factory?

The bankers are "evil" since they were behind this economic mess as they were behind the mess of the early 80's recession and the tech bubble. Wall St and the bankers have their hand bloodied with economic calamity. You think people work hard in a high pressured environment in order to manipulate markets for personal at the expense of the greater good is noble.

Wall St has also captured our politics for their personal gain. Just look where recent Secretary of Treasuries comes from.
 
Nobody knows what theyre rebelling against likely. Wall street meddling in government, an economy held hostage to private interests, capitalism? Also I never mentioned a viable conclusion that is a manifestation of whatever psycho-political construct you have in your head that a percieved group of persons believes. You may enjoy living off the dribblings of the rich, frankly, some other people are going to bitch about it while they do. Your just bitching. :shrug:
 
VanceMack said:
I know...'the rich' are sneaking in your windows at night and stealing your tooth fairy money. Those bastards!
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yawn.....your idiotic rants are boring me.

You better have SOMETHING more than just marxist/socialist/leftist talking points. Maybe you and your buddy from the College of William And Mary can figure out just who is paying your bills and how you propose to resolve the worlds problems beyond whining about a street and an industry.
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I believe in free markets, fool. I believe in free banking over this crony capitalism **** which Wall St is ripe with. In fact, Wall St. is the long arm of the state. Ironically, you are the one who supports this "marxist/socialist/leftist" BS.
 
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Antiderivative said:
I have been investing since I have been earning a paycheck. Your strawman is duly noticed as well as your ignorance. Anything else from the peanut factory?

The bankers are "evil" since they were behind this economic mess as they were behind the mess of the early 80's recession and the tech bubble. Wall St and the bankers have their hand bloodied with economic calamity. You think people work hard in a high pressured environment in order to manipulate markets for personal at the expense of the greater good is noble.

Wall St has also captured our politics for their personal gain. Just look where recent Secretary of Treasuries comes from.
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You STILL have nithing but those 'evil bankers' and 'evil wall street'...right? Still dont know who you are attacking...what you are actually protesting against...for...other than...you know...evil bankers. :lamo
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Nobody knows what theyre rebelling against likely. Wall street meddling in government, an economy held hostage to private interests, capitalism? Also I never mentioned a viable conclusion that is a manifestation of whatever psycho-political construct you have in your head that a percieved group of persons believes. You may enjoy living off the dribblings of the rich, frankly, some other people are going to bitch about it while they do. Your just bitching. :shrug:
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Well...actually Im posting in a thread the counter position to the retards protesting in the streets. You have just stated you dont know why exactly they are protesting...but you support them.

I think that pretty much sums everything up nicely.
 
VanceMack said:
You STILL have nithing but those 'evil bankers' and 'evil wall street'...right? Still dont know who you are attacking...what you are actually protesting against...for...other than...you know...evil bankers. :lamo
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I think crony capitalism is wrong as I do think manipulating market for personal gains at the expense of economic calamity.

Why you are so hostile to these points and defend the status quo and our current economic catastrophe is beyond me.
 
I never said I supported them. I sympathise with them in some ways. I don't support what they do for alot of the reasons you stated. They have no cohesive ideology.
 
Antiderivative said:
yawn.....your idiotic rants are boring me.



I believe in free markets, fool. I believe in free banking over this crony capitalism **** which Wall St is ripe with. In fact, Wall St. is the long arm of the state. Ironically, you are the one who supports this "marxist/socialist/leftist" BS.
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Translation...you STILL have nothing. Shocking!

Which makes you Texas Ranger, and not Walker. "I dont know what it means, but I love it."

power to the peeple
 
Antiderivative said:
I think crony capitalism is wrong as I do think manipulating market for personal gains at the expense of economic calamity.

Why you are so hostile to these points and defend the status quo and our current economic catastrophe is beyond me.
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Ah! SO...having an actual substantive discussion about what went wrong and what can be done differently and not just "boo...hiss...Wall Street BAD" is desirable. See...NOW we are on to something. Spread the word around to the retard coalition.

Dont know if you were around...I was one of those ones very vocal about NOT bailing out the banks. I was against when republicans did it, I am against when democrats do it. Great place to start is right there...get rid of the people that continue to spend the country into oblivion. Stop blindly supporting party ideology over country. Blaming bankers for taking money that congress gave them is like blaming Shaq for using his big ass to knock players down when the refs wouldnt call him for charging.

Chanting and protesting 'Wall Street" and 'evil bankers'...gets us nowhere.
 
VanceMack said:
Ah! SO...having an actual substantive discussion about what went wrong and what can be done differently and not just "boo...hiss...Wall Street BAD" is desirable. See...NOW we are on to something. Spread the word around to the retard coalition.

Dont know if you were around...I was one of those ones very vocal about NOT bailing out the banks. I was against when republicans did it, I am against when democrats do it. Great place to start is right there...get rid of the people that continue to spend the country into oblivion. Stop blindly supporting party ideology over country. Blaming bankers for taking money that congress gave them is like blaming Shaq for using his big ass to knock players down when the refs wouldnt call him for charging.

Chanting and protesting 'Wall Street" and 'evil bankers'...gets us nowhere.
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Yet you attack the poor and elderly for doing the same thing and call them evil all while championing the hard work of Wall St.

You are most amusing.
 
These are actual people VanceMac who likely have somewhat developed opinions and stances on the situation. They arent just marching and screaming like mindless air filled faggots because theyre poodicks for its own sake.
 
Antiderivative said:
Yet you attack the poor and elderly for doing the same thing and call them evil.
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I attack those that are CAPABLE and have not done anything to prepare themselves and provide for themselves. I attack the crippled and dependent pets that permeate our society. I dont attack those that CANNOT. I attack capable, able bodied individuals that would rather whine about how unfair life is than get off their ass and change their own lives. I expect those that are able to stand up. I also oppose the mindless whining for the sake of whining and lo, multiple posts into the exchange we find out...you do too. I oppose the mindless chanting of slogans that have no meaning and think those that are out there doing just that are wrong at best and retard mindless puppets at worst, and looky there...you at least agree they are misguided about who and what they are upset with. See...I call that progress.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
These are actual people VanceMac who likely have somewhat developed opinions and stances on the situation. They arent just marching and screaming like mindless air filled faggots because theyre poodicks for its own sake.
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You know this? Cuz...Ive seen the chants and the screams and the interviews and the yelling...nah...I dont see a whole lot of well developed stances or positions. I see people caught up in the vague generalities just like you were.
 
VanceMack said:
I attack those that are CAPABLE and have not done anything to prepare themselves and provide for themselves. I attack the crippled and dependent pets that permeate our society. I dont attack those that CANNOT. I attack capable, able bodied individuals that would rather whine about how unfair life is than get off their ass and change their own lives. I expect those that are able to stand up. I also oppose the mindless whining for the sake of whining and lo, multiple posts into the exchange we find out...you do too. I oppose the mindless chanting of slogans that have no meaning and think those that are out there doing just that are wrong at best and retard mindless puppets at worst, and looky there...you at least agree they are misguided about who and what they are upset with. See...I call that progress.
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Your petulant rant is duly noticed.

Now, do you have anything to add to this conversation?
 
Antiderivative said:
Your petulant rant is duly noticed.

Now, do you have anything to add to this conversation?
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Dang...we were so CLOSE to actually making a little progress there. We appeared to agree it was idiotic to mindlessly rail against this evil unknown entity 'Wall Street" and 'evil bankers'. You seemed to acknowledge you didnt just blindly support the retarded chants against said mythical vague entitites. We actually began to talk about a real starting point with regard to the politicians that gifted the bankers with the bailouts...even found common ground with regard to the bank bailouts. I clarified the position which you were obviously mistaken over.

Silly me.

Well...pick up your sign and go back and join the struggle.
 
VanceMack said:
Dang...we were so CLOSE to actually making a little progress there. We appeared to agree it was idiotic to mindlessly rail against this evil unknown entity 'Wall Street" and 'evil bankers'. You seemed to acknowledge you didnt just blindly support the retarded chants against said mythical vague entitites. We actually began to talk about a real starting point with regard to the politicians that gifted the bankers with the bailouts...even found common ground with regard to the bank bailouts. I clarified the position which you were obviously mistaken over.

Silly me.

Well...pick up your sign and go back and join the struggle.
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Perhaps if you stopped ranting, then we could find common ground.
 
Antiderivative said:
Perhaps if you stopped ranting, then we could find common ground.
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I highly doubt that will happen. We agreed supporting retarded protestors and vague entitites was foolish, we agree that the bank bailouts by both parties is wrong and that a good first place to start is congress...and then you went back to the personal stuff. I doubt we will ever really get to the problem.
 
VanceMack said:
I highly doubt that will happen. We agreed supporting retarded protestors and vague entitites was foolish, we agree that the bank bailouts by both parties is wrong and that a good first place to start is congress...and then you went back to the personal stuff. I doubt we will ever really get to the problem.
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Have you been personally offended in this conservation? If not, then don't use it as an excuse.

I will tell you the real problem. It is our corporate welfare culture that is the problem, not the poor and the elderly. This is where we have a fundamental disagreement. You believe that Wall St works hard for their money while the poor and elderly are parasites on our economy. While I recognize that sloth is not good, I think that Wall St is a parasite on our economy, which has been behind the last 3 main recessions.
 
Antiderivative said:
Have you been personally offended in this conservation? If not, then don't use it as an excuse.

I will tell you the real problem. It is our corporate welfare culture that is the problem, not the poor and the elderly. This is where we have a fundamental disagreement. You believe that Wall St works hard for their money while the poor and elderly are parasites on our economy. While I recognize that sloth is not good, I think that Wall St is a parasite on our economy, which has been behind the last 3 main recessions.
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Offended? seriosuly? on an online blog??? :lamo

Still...Right back to the mindless slogans....evil Wall Street. Didnt you say YOU were an investor? I hope they burn YOUR investments down to the ground man...that will show those evil bankers. Stick it to the man and 'Wall Street'
 
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VanceMack said:
Offended? seriosuly? on an online blog??? :lamo
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What online blog are you referring to?

Still...Right back to the mindless slogans....evil Wall Street. Didnt you say YOU were an investor? I hope they burn YOUR investments down to the ground man...that will show those evil bankers. Stick it to the man and 'Wall Street'
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More drivel from you.
 
rathi said:
They represent everything I don't like about protesting. They have no goal, no plan of action or organization. Even if someone to listen to them, they couldn't reach a consensus on what they want. Yes, wallstreet has truly ****ed our society recently, but this isn't going to help matters any. The Arab protestors know what they are doing, this is just ridiculous.
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I wonder what it wll cost to clean up after this pointless mess?
 
DaveFagan said:
Ain't that David Rockefeller's downtown piggy bank. Is that one of the 5 Federal Reserve banks he owns? Maybe he owns 6. He wouldn't use those banks to manipulate anything. Heaven forbid! Wait a minute! Could I be suggesting that the Federal Reserve Corp is a privately owned corporation. Who are the stockholders? Now you know one big one, but he certainly wouldn't use this power to manipulate politics and save banks instead of people, or would he?
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:-D. I lol that they were 2 blocks away from getting it right. Occupy the Federal Reserve would have been awesome, given them focus and attack directly at their problem. Wall Street powers that be are nothing but opportunist. Easy credit and free flowing cash from the FED is what gives them powers.



Cartoons are fun :)
 
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