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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Ending capital punishment is our one demand...
    Ending police intimidation is our one demand...
    Ending wealth inequality is our one demand...
    Ending corporate censorship is our one demand...
    Ending the modern gilded age is our one demand...
    Ending political corruption is our one demand...
    Ending joblessness is our one demand...
    Ending poverty is our one demand...
    Ending health-profiteering is our one demand...
    Ending American imperialism is our one demand...
    Ending war is our one demand...
    Stopping a lot of the corruption on Wall Street would actually work towards a lot of those goals. Selfish corporate interests and the drive to produce shareholder profits above all else are responsible for this recession, so that would deal with wealth inequality, joblessness, and poverty. The same goes for health-profiteering. Those same interests pay for political campaigns and push censorship and corruption, which in turn fuels war and imperialism.

    A whole lot of what these folks want to do would be achieved, or at least made much easier, by regulating corporate money and preventing them from controlling the whole country. They do not act in the interests of anyone but themselves, and they use bribery to maintain their power. They should be stopped from hurting anyone else.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    And who's going to stop them?
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Stopping a lot of the corruption on Wall Street would actually work towards a lot of those goals. Selfish corporate interests and the drive to produce shareholder profits above all else are responsible for this recession, so that would deal with wealth inequality, joblessness, and poverty. The same goes for health-profiteering. Those same interests pay for political campaigns and push censorship and corruption, which in turn fuels war and imperialism.
    I do not disagree with that in itself. The other side of the coin is also responsible. The idea that others have the same right to things as others regardless of their ability to actually aquire those things.

    A whole lot of what these folks want to do would be achieved, or at least made much easier, by regulating corporate money and preventing them from controlling the whole country. They do not act in the interests of anyone but themselves, and they use bribery to maintain their power. They should be stopped from hurting anyone else.
    They are only able to do what the government allows them to do. If a bribe is wrong, accepting it is equally as wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I do not disagree with that in itself. The other side of the coin is also responsible. The idea that others have the same right to things as others regardless of their ability to actually aquire those things.
    Acquisition by power was the credo of the Dark Ages. Progressing beyond feudalism and serfdom, the very opposite of "ability to acquire", is what the last 500 years, including the founding of America, was about. Wresting power from powerful owners (such as the English aristocracy), and putting it in the hands of the masses, was what the revolution was about.

    They are only able to do what the government allows them to do. If a bribe is wrong, accepting it is equally as wrong.
    That's not wrong, but the ones who it is practical and possible to stop are those giving the bribes. Take the money out of elections, prevent corporate interests from buying up the loyalty of politicians, and that corruption can be defeated.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    They certainly have a lot of "one demands."
    Maybe someone should pass them a dictionary so they can understand what "one" means.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Acquisition by power was the credo of the Dark Ages. Progressing beyond feudalism and serfdom, the very opposite of "ability to acquire", is what the last 500 years, including the founding of America, was about. Wresting power from powerful owners (such as the English aristocracy), and putting it in the hands of the masses, was what the revolution was about.
    Which doesn't mean that just anyone can afford a house.

    That's not wrong, but the ones who it is practical and possible to stop are those giving the bribes. Take the money out of elections, prevent corporate interests from buying up the loyalty of politicians, and that corruption can be defeated.
    I do not understand why it's impossible to hold accountable and stop people from accepting the bribes. In any other venue, it would be illegal and prosecuted.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I do not understand why it's impossible to hold accountable and stop people from accepting the bribes. In any other venue, it would be illegal and prosecuted.
    It's not impossible to stop politicians from accepting bribes from private interests and lobbies. It's just legally not a bribe right now to do so. Make it against the law, and people will (mostly) stop doing it. Election funding is a legal form of bribery. That legal status needs to change.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's not impossible to stop politicians from accepting bribes from private interests and lobbies. It's just legally not a bribe right now to do so.
    Indeed, politicians often times exclude themselves from the laws they create for others.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Is it to say they directly object to Wall Street? and the stock market?

    And do they, those who occupy Wall Street, understand the complexity of economics?

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Stopping a lot of the corruption on Wall Street would actually work towards a lot of those goals. Selfish corporate interests and the drive to produce shareholder profits above all else are responsible for this recession, so that would deal with wealth inequality, joblessness, and poverty. The same goes for health-profiteering. Those same interests pay for political campaigns and push censorship and corruption, which in turn fuels war and imperialism.
    That list of demands branded them a bunch of Leftist loons.

    A whole lot of what these folks want to do would be achieved, or at least made much easier, by regulating corporate money and preventing them from controlling the whole country. They do not act in the interests of anyone but themselves, and they use bribery to maintain their power. They should be stopped from hurting anyone else.
    Lemme' guess...we should let the government control everything?

    Answer me this: Who is going to protect us from the government?
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