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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I think that spanish soccer game was THE WORST example you could have came up with.

    The guy was running around on the field disrupting the game.... The officers stopped him and were attempting to get cuffs on him using pain compliance as he resisting (typical arms under body holding arms together resistance most likely)... and then folks came out and started assaulting officers.

    If THAT is your idea of police brutality....... you need to get out more....

    Or you are most likely an anarchist....
    yeah yeah i know you're pro cop you authoritarian. :-D jp

    They had his skinny ass down 4 big guys to 1. No need to continually hit him with the stick. Let the courts handle the punishment.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Violence in general is unacceptable, but if in self-defense, I support it. The police should not be brutalizing people who are not resisting their interventions; and even if there is resistance, you do not go beyond what is necessary to restrain.

    I do, however, support fighting back against police who are detaining people for no reason, as we are seeing in some cases right now. Although the video above of the soccer game is not really a good example of fighting back, it at least shows how powerless the police are when the public supports one another. Sometimes this is necessary in the face of brutalizing power.

    The media is barely talking about the Wall Street protests. Almost all sources of primary information right now are coming out of grassroots and first hand reporting of people who are there. It just goes to show whose pocket the media are in. The police have a relatively free hand right now and vigilance is important.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

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    Well my initial thought was why is the lieutenant (white shirt) always going out of control macing and hitting people? Where I grew up, I never had any use for the police and they constantly hassle people (even kids). You're getting rob, murder, gun shots... police won't come. I wouldn't mind seeing the protesters fight back if they get abused.

    Thanks for sharing your feelings about it! I feel much the same way but I would disagree they should fight back. The purpose of a non-violent violent protest is to actively protest but not commit violence which would be counter-productive to their goals.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Is there a political agenda in the police department?

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

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    Monday will be my first (I guess).
    Be careful Jryan, and peaceful!
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    yeah yeah i know you're pro cop you authoritarian. :-D jp

    They had his skinny ass down 4 big guys to 1. No need to continually hit him with the stick. Let the courts handle the punishment.
    What stick?
    I saw no stick...
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Beware of predator drones

    @0:16. Guy on the right using a baton (also called a cosh, Paddy wacker, billystick, billy club, nightstick, sap, blackjack, stick) is essentially a club
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Is there a political agenda in the police department?
    Sometimes, but more often its as a bias that you need to be careful. It is you getting caught up in group mentality that you need to be careful of. Take the Wall Street folks. The protesters were told they could march across the Brooklyn Bridge if they stayed on the walkways. But no, they had to walk in the roadways, and block traffic. Guess it was cool, and everyone was doing it. And 70 were arrested.

    It could be quite the experience mixing with folks there, talking, maybe hearing a good speaker or two. But watch for the idiot rabble-rousers. Stay smart. Keep your parents proud.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Sometimes, but more often its as a bias that you need to be careful. It is you getting caught up in group mentality that you need to ba careful of. Take the Wall Street folks. Tey were told they could march across teh Brooklyn Bridge if they stayed on teh walkways. But no, they had to walk in the roadways, and block traffic. Guess it was cool, and everyone was doing it. And 70 were arrested.

    It could be quite the experience mixing with folks there, talking, maybe hearing a good speaker or two. But watch for the idiot rabble-rousers. Stay smart. Keep your parents proud.
    Exactly.
    For the most part I have no issue with those who are protesting..... its when idiots show up and begin acting like fools, and then the rest follow suit because by this point the protesters have a "Us vs Them" mentality when it comes to the police officers.

    Sadly, police officers get accused of being biased FOR whatever cause the protesters are against... in nearly.... every... single.... protest. If that doesn't tell you something about those that are doing the accusing.... I don't know what will.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    News the violence by law enforcement has apparently gone global. Was just reading an international discussion board taking about an escaped prisoner the FBI located in Portugal:
    The gist of the discussion is that Portugal should not return him to the US because the videos of what the police are doing to peaceful protestors and Gitmo prove the US cannot be trusted to give the prisoner even basic human rights. The Portuguese courts have not yet decided if he will be returned to the US or not.
    Maybe we can just drop a bomb on his head.

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