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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    My feeling on that video is.....

    *barf* motion sickness....

    Seriously though.... Why cant we ever get a clip of what was going on BEFORE the police action took place........
    Even in this video it appears that the line got broke by the protestors and when the police began doing their job people flooded in to get closer and created the chaos....
    Yeah, outta context its just crowd control stuff.

    There was a bit of that "joy in finally gettin to crack a few skulls" thing that keeps me away from protests with a potential for violence.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    That makes me a sad panda bear
    Why? It's helping the cause and going directly at the source. Like when Neo met the architect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm just wondering what you felt about the video you posted?
    Well my initial thought was why is the lieutenant (white shirt) always going out of control macing and hitting people? Where I grew up, I never had any use for the police and they constantly hassle people (even kids). You're getting rob, murder, gun shots... police won't come. I wouldn't mind seeing the protesters fight back if they get abused.




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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yeah, outta context its just crowd control stuff.

    There was a bit of that "joy in finally gettin to crack a few skulls" thing that keeps me away from protests with a potential for violence.
    Crowd Control of this size is a very delicate situation.

    When you and your fellow Officers are outnumbered 500 to 1 you begin to get the cornered cat mentality... and any advance from anyone becomes a threat to your safety in your mind.

    I cant blame an officer for wanting to keep the angry crowds back, ESPECIALLY when they refuse to do so as they shout obscenities at you.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    News the violence by law enforcement has apparently gone global. Was just reading an international discussion board taking about an escaped prisoner the FBI located in Portugal:
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    Convicted murderer George Wright escaped from a New Jersey prison in 1970 and hijacked a US airliner two years later while dressed as a priest..... and is now a Portuguese citizen having been granted political asylum.

    He was part of the militant Black Liberation Army group, he hijacked a US plane to Algeria in 1972, the FBI says.

    Wright is said to have produced a gun from a hollowed-out Bible and held it to a flight attendant's head.

    At Miami airport, he and his accomplices demanded a $1m ransom.

    The passengers were freed after the money was delivered by FBI agents forced to wear only swimsuits so the gang could see they were unarmed.

    While the other hijackers were later caught, Wright remained at large for more than four decades - until his arrest in rural Portugal last month.
    The gist of the discussion is that Portugal should not return him to the US because the videos of what the police are doing to peaceful protestors and Gitmo prove the US cannot be trusted to give the prisoner even basic human rights. The Portuguese courts have not yet decided if he will be returned to the US or not.
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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Crowd Control of this size is a very delicate situation.

    When you and your fellow Officers are outnumbered 500 to 1 you begin to get the cornered cat mentality... and any advance from anyone becomes a threat to your safety in your mind.

    I cant blame an officer for wanting to keep the angry crowds back, ESPECIALLY when they refuse to do so as they shout obscenities at you.
    Don't we have the right to assemble (peacefully), it seems most of these riots break out because the cops are there pointing their sticks at people.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    Why? It's helping the cause and going directly at the source. Like when Neo met the architect.

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    Well my initial thought was why is the lieutenant (white shirt) always going out of control macing and hitting people? Where I grew up, I never had any use for the police and they constantly hassle people (even kids). You're getting rob, murder, gun shots... police won't come. I wouldn't mind seeing the protesters fight back if they get abused.

    I think that spanish soccer game was THE WORST example you could have came up with.

    The guy was running around on the field disrupting the game.... The officers stopped him and were attempting to get cuffs on him using pain compliance as he resisting (typical arms under body holding arms together resistance most likely)... and then folks came out and started assaulting officers.

    If THAT is your idea of police brutality....... you need to get out more....

    Or you are most likely an anarchist....
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Don't we have the right to assemble (peacefully), it seems most of these riots break out because the cops are there pointing their sticks at people.
    You are not assembling peacefully if you break through barriers created to protect those who are trying to carry out their everyday lives just for the hell of it and then resist arrest, while encouraging your friends to break through and get up in the Police Officers face at the same time.

    Peacefully is a completely over used phrase when dealing with protests.


    Also, I getting a stick pointed at you and being reminded to stay back isn't an invitation to go from peaceful to riot and be justified.....

    Apparently you haven't had to deal or been to a protest of such a size where idiots show up just for the purpose of instigating a riot.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Monday will be my first (I guess).

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    The best signs would read: Obama resign!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Don't we have the right to assemble (peacefully), it seems most of these riots break out because the cops are there pointing their sticks at people.
    Not to mention the fact that Geitner predicted the bank failures in 2005, saying "there were significant problems that had to be addressed" regarding the banks during a congressional hearing.

    Marches are totally justified, they knew about these failures far in advance of 2008.

    See, you don't hire guys like this, Mr. Prez!

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    Which is class envy.
    Or, enlightenment.
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