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Occupy Wall Street Enters Its Fourth Day, Tensions Rise

If the cops feel threatened then they can use force.

Wrong. The use of force by police is restricted by law. It is a crime for the police to use force simply because of how they feel.

From the video, the cop's position was claustrophobic,

Then you're watching the wrong video



That is my opinion. And if you bother to read carefully instead of letting your emotions take over, maybe you would have read that: I do not think this is a case of inciting riot. The arguement is there to show that your claim that people can say whatever they want to the police is false. There are limits to all sort of freedom, including free speech.

Too bad your opinion is contradicted by the facts
 
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The Volker rule will go in this direction. We also need to make sure that companies like Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs which are investment houses not banks can't change their designation just to get under the Fed umbrella when they get in trouble.

Not without some pressure applied it appears. It is hopeful though that we now have nation-wide OWS pressure appliers.
 
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Not without some pressure applied it appears. It is hopeful though that we now have nation-wide OWS pressure appliers.

The regulations for the Volker rule have already been written and are out for comment. OWS will be meaningless in this regard.
 
The regulations for the Volker rule have already been written and are out for comment. OWS will be meaningless in this regard.

Personally, I am glad the protesters are pushing for a more complete separation of commercial banking and investment banking through H.R. 1489:


"4/12/2011--Introduced.
Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 - Amends the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (FDIA) to prohibit an insured depository institution from being an affiliate of any broker or dealer, investment adviser, investment company, or any other person or entity engaged principally in the issue, flotation, underwriting, public sale, or distribution of stocks, bonds, debentures, notes, or other securities. Prohibits officers, directors and employees of securities firms from simultaneous service on the boards of depository institutions, except in specified circumstances. Requires any such individual serving as an officer, director, employee, or other institution-affiliated party of any insured depository institution to terminate such service as soon as practicable after enactment of this Act. Requires an insured depository institution to wind-down in an orderly manner and terminate any affiliation prohibited by this Act. Amends the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall Act) to expand its prohibition against the transaction of banking activities by securities firms. Declares that Congress ratifies the interpretation by the Supreme Court of specified statutory language in the case of Investment Company Institute v. Camp ( ICI vs. Camp) regarding permissible activities of banks and securities firms. Declares that the reasoning of the Court in that case shall continue to apply to the limitations placed upon security affiliations under the FDIA as enacted by this Act. Prohibits a federal banking agency or federal court from issuing an interpretation regarding such security affiliations that is narrower than that of Court in ICI vs. Camp. Makes technical and conforming changes to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the Revised Statutes of the United States, and specified federal law. Requires the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the Comptroller of the Currency, or another appropriate federal banking agency to report to Congress a detailed description of the basis for its decision each time it makes a determination or grants an extension concerning an affiliation between insured depository institutions and investment banks or securities firms."

H.R. 1489 - Summary: Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 (GovTrack.us)
 
Personally, I am glad the protesters are pushing for a more complete separation of commercial banking and investment banking through H.R. 1489:


"4/12/2011--Introduced.
Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 - Amends the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (FDIA) to prohibit an insured depository institution from being an affiliate of any broker or dealer, investment adviser, investment company, or any other person or entity engaged principally in the issue, flotation, underwriting, public sale, or distribution of stocks, bonds, debentures, notes, or other securities. Prohibits officers, directors and employees of securities firms from simultaneous service on the boards of depository institutions, except in specified circumstances. Requires any such individual serving as an officer, director, employee, or other institution-affiliated party of any insured depository institution to terminate such service as soon as practicable after enactment of this Act. Requires an insured depository institution to wind-down in an orderly manner and terminate any affiliation prohibited by this Act. Amends the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall Act) to expand its prohibition against the transaction of banking activities by securities firms. Declares that Congress ratifies the interpretation by the Supreme Court of specified statutory language in the case of Investment Company Institute v. Camp ( ICI vs. Camp) regarding permissible activities of banks and securities firms. Declares that the reasoning of the Court in that case shall continue to apply to the limitations placed upon security affiliations under the FDIA as enacted by this Act. Prohibits a federal banking agency or federal court from issuing an interpretation regarding such security affiliations that is narrower than that of Court in ICI vs. Camp. Makes technical and conforming changes to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the Revised Statutes of the United States, and specified federal law. Requires the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the Comptroller of the Currency, or another appropriate federal banking agency to report to Congress a detailed description of the basis for its decision each time it makes a determination or grants an extension concerning an affiliation between insured depository institutions and investment banks or securities firms."

H.R. 1489 - Summary: Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 (GovTrack.us)

I am not sure it is good to destroy companies that we allowed to be created just 15 years ago. When companies talk about uncertainties this is the type of thing that makes companies shy away from investing in America.

Also we may want to remember that although the Financial industry is now hated, it has been a source of increased jobs over the last couple of decades in the U.S. If we do away with these jobs, where is the next opportunity, it will not be housing as that is over developed.
 
I am not sure it is good to destroy companies that we allowed to be created just 15 years ago. When companies talk about uncertainties this is the type of thing that makes companies shy away from investing in America.

Are you talking about the banking companies that the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act enabled to combine for the first time since the Great Depression? The "companies" like ENRON, and the "companies" that are now considered too big to fail?

Also we may want to remember that although the Financial industry is now hated, it has been a source of increased jobs over the last couple of decades in the U.S. If we do away with these jobs, where is the next opportunity, it will not be housing as that is over developed.

We had less unemployment when the GSA was in effect and a higher standard of living for the middle class. Afraid I don't see the downside to once again separating commercial banking from investment banking that twice in our history now has wiped out the life savings of a large portion of Americans.
 
Are you talking about the banking companies that the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act enabled to combine for the first time since the Great Depression? The "companies" like ENRON, and the "companies" that are now considered too big to fail?



We had less unemployment when the GSA was in effect and a higher standard of living for the middle class. Afraid I don't see the downside to once again separating commercial banking from investment banking that twice in our history now has wiped out the life savings of a large portion of Americans.

Did you know that Enron was not a financial company so this would do nothing to prevent what happened there.
 
Did you know that Enron was not a financial company so this would do nothing to prevent what happened there.

Results of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act ~

"Were there any ill effects on the economy after repeal of Glass-Steagall? There were. Some of the more notable were:

Some bankers reduced their exposure to Enron at the same time that their analysts were promoting Enron. Can J.P. Morgan, Citigroup, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank and Switzerland's UBS be accused of making loans to Enron at a loss in order to gain investment banking business? They can. Were these conflicts of interest that could have been prevented by Glass-Steagall? Possibly.

In 2003, there were findings of actual and alleged fraud against Citigroup's Salomon Smith Barney, Credit Suisse First Boston, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley – and others. The charge was that these banks promised companies flattering stock research reports in return for getting investment banking business. This couldn’t have happened under Glass-Steagall. (Rather than draw out a long court case, the institutions decided to settle for $1.5 billion.)

The repeal of Glass-Steagall encouraged securitization. Securitization is a process whereby banks put together speculative loans and sell them as securities. If just a few loans go bad, that’s part of the risk. Of course, when a high percentage of loans go bad, it put the entire system under stress.

An interesting and negative side effect is that securitization can inflate the money supply. By allowing banks to lend out more money than the normal limits set by the Federal Reserve. This, in effect, creates more money. Securitization allowed banks to create as much as 40 times more money than they had reserves for. The money then began looking for somewhere to go and found the housing market and helped create the housing bubble.

Repeal also allowed commercial banks, investment banks, brokerages and insurance companies to compete across the board. But, rather than a bank starting, say, an insurance company from scratch and spending long years building up a base, wouldn’t it be easier to acquire someone else’s operation? And doesn’t that contribute to institutions that are “too big to fail”?"

The Glass-Steagall Act comes up for discussion again. - Hartford Independent | Examiner.com
 
Its so pathetic what the right is trying to do and label everyone...
Scared much...
:lamo
 
Its so pathetic what the right is trying to do and label everyone...
Scared much...
:lamo

Kinda like how the Tea Party was labelled as racist, Who did that again?

It doesn't matter anyway, since what is happening with this "occupy" movement is bigger than the republican or democrat labels that we try to put on them.
 
.....what is happening with this "occupy" movement is bigger than the republican or democrat labels that we try to put on them.
Yes, not only is it not Dem or GOP movement, it is a global movement. 'We the people' are sending a clear message that we are not happy with several things.
 
Yes, not only is it not Dem or GOP movement, it is a global movement. 'We the people' are sending a clear message that we are not happy with several things.

Don't make it sound so simple... now people are finding their backbone, but people must actively ensure that this movement does not get co-opted like what happened to the tea party.

Now, what do you think is going to happen if / when this develops to the point where it becomes a substantial movement throughout nations??? Because to me, if I'm even 30% correct about all the "conspiracy theories" I get accused of continuously, we'll find out just how much the government "cares" about protecting the people. They will ban protests "for our own protection"... Then what?

Now, I see this movement in general as a good thing... but, at the same time, there needs to be some careful considerations with what is going on simultaneously.

Oh, and what are the "demands" of this "occupy / 99%" movement?? In other words, how will they know that they've achieved a victory??

I mean, those people on wall street, at the least need to demand that certain known corrupt individuals step down and resign... What are those institutions that require "regime change"??

See where I'm going with this??
 
Oh, and what are the "demands" of this "occupy / 99%" movement??

"Below is a working proposed list of demands by Occupy Wall Street (OWS):"



"LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" H.R. 1489: Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 (GovTrack.us) ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act#Repeal . Vote Here #1

USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list. Vote Here #2

CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media. Vote Here #3

CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's.Vote Here #4

CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm. Vote Here #5

CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS. Vote Here #6

CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control. Vote Here #7

ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". THE CORPORATION [2/23] Birth - YouTube . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight. Vote Here #8"

PICKET: Occupy Wall Street protesters post manifesto of 'demands' - Washington Times
 
Awesome lack of any point except trying to debase the protestors.

I need not try to debase the protesters. They are doing a fine job themselves.

Listen. I even agree with much of the goals (as I perceive them) of the reasonable 99%er folks. But I am uncomfortable with the numbers of people mingling with those resonable folks who hate my country, stand against my beliefs or are just terrible people.

Police Investigating Possible Sexual Assault Of Teen At Occupy Dallas « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth
 
"Below is a working proposed list of demands by Occupy Wall Street (OWS):"

Which groups have made these demands? If these are the real demands, it's no surprise to me that so many of these OWS professors have been attacked by cops.

I've only been half-heatedly following the developments of these protests, btw.

"LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" H.R. 1489: Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011 (GovTrack.us) ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act#Repeal . Vote Here #1

This one is a bare minimum necessity if the economy is going to be saved. It only took about 15 years for the repeal of glass-stiegall before the economy started to fail.

This alone is diametrically opposed to the desires of lobbying groups / special interests.

USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list. Vote Here #2

I'll have to watch that film, but im already familiar with much of what is discussed in it, I'm certain.

This is the one reasonable and functional demand that I was first thinking... But this demand should at least include a list of people (5-10) that need to resign, so that there is a clear victory and a demonstration of the power of the people. A promise of investigations is not enough, since that will be a white wash anyway, and will not see any real results, though the promise alone might get some people FEEL LIKE there was a victory though that would be cargo shallow.

CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media. Vote Here #3

Ya, this demand is unreasonable, though worth mentioning. By unreasonable, I mean it's not going to happen, as much as I agree, it's not going to be allowed to change. Too many vested interest would block this.

CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's.Vote Here #4

BAD IDEA!!! Nobody like buffet would push for a "tax the rich" suggestion without considering that people like him would be exempt. Also, you're not going to tax corporations without having those corporations offsetting that cost.

CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm. Vote Here #5

Yes, but the answer isn't necessarily more money, what it needs is more integrity (no vested interests), and more actual enforcement.

CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS. Vote Here #6

Ya, that'd be nice... Not a realistic demand in the current atmosphere.


CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control. Vote Here #7

Also a good demand, but one that is not realistic of an objective.

ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". THE CORPORATION [2/23] Birth - YouTube . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight. Vote Here #8"

I know all about that... And yes, this one is crucial to regaining some sanity in the world, however, at this stage I would also have to call this demand as unrealistic.

Maybe if you had millions of people behind that message that were willing to deal with the repercussions that such a move would make.


A few others that I would make :

- a 1% sales tax on investments, with no exemptions, that can't be written off in any way, that would bring money out of wall street and back into government hands. (as little as I trust the government to use that money wisely)
- call out a small handful of corrupt federal reserve chairmen and "occupy" until that person resigns.
- end to foreclosures, no foreclosures / evictions for 5 years OR till the end of the crisis, whichever is LONGER.
- full debt forgiveness on student loans for those that are not employed in their area of study. There are far too many people that are sitting on a degree, paying off a student loan while working the till at a walmart.

Unfortunately much of that list is also a wish list...
 
[h=1]Veterans Join Occupy Wall Street Demonstrations [/h]
"A potentially powerful new element joins Occupy Wall Street as military veterans in uniform took to the streets in New York, marching from Vietnam Veterans Plaza to Zuccotti Park Wednesday, enlisting the campaign to spotlight issues of social and economic injustice.


Veterans have "a unique opportunity to continue serving here at home through our participation in this civic movement for change,'' said Andrew Johnson, president of the New York City chapter of Iraq Veterans Against the War, which organized Wednesday's march.


Veterans could take an increasingly visible presence in OWS. Some 2.3 million Americans have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and almost half a million veterans last year went to the Department of Veterans Affairs for health care.


Their grievances tend to be deep and personal as they face the challenges of coming home from war. The unemployment rate for veterans, at 12.4 percent, is due to climb as thousands of military personnel flood out of the ranks into an extremely competitive job market, with the Defense Department cutting back on manpower this year and in the years ahead.


Many Iraq and Afghan war veterans have come home with mental health issues, including post traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury. While the VA is scrambling to provide therapy, counseling and employment support for these veterans, many veterans say such services are scarce and difficult to find."
 
Wrong. The use of force by police is restricted by law. It is a crime for the police to use force simply because of how they feel.



Then you're watching the wrong video





Too bad your opinion is contradicted by the facts


That's nothing. Look what the cops did to this guy:

 
these protests are not against US government, but against a capitalist exploitation system which has invaded the world countries for long years.And these democrat actions can be an important model for the other societies.İf the head of the world capitalism faces such a fact,it means that we will experience very interesting changes globally in later times.
 
That is the biggest edited piece of **** ive ever seen.

Everything that the cops do that looks unfavorable in your opinion is edited...
Please tell us how this is "edited"?
 
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