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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ted Kennedy and Michelle Bachmann!?!?!?!?!

    and she looks very very happy about it!!!!!
    And I thought Ted Kennedy was dead...
    Catch me if you can.

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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think glen rice said he knew her, and said he wouldn't elaborate. sounds like they had a roll in the hay to me.
    Larry Sinclair says that he knew Obama and gave him a blowjob while Obama was snorting coke. That sounds true to me.

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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Here is a fellow writing about how Joe McGinniss conducts his research:


    So a single girl had sex with a single guy more than 20 years ago. I’m, uh, shocked or something. Presuming it even happened, which given McGinnis’ track record it probably didn’t.

    I have my own history with Mr. McGinnis. I have no idea if this actually made it into the book, but McGinnis contacted me in 2010 while he was trying to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin’s father Chuck Heath. Back in the 1980′s Heath was a teacher/coach in the Wasilla public school system at the same time a teacher by the name of Walter Koenig was arrested for molesting several girls, one of them my sister. The revelation of Koenig’s crimes came at the time that public schools in Alaska were being rocked with revelation after revelation of molestation.

    My father, an Alaska State Trooper at the time, investigated these cases though once it became clear that my sister was involved in Koenig’s case he handed it off to another investigator.

    Regardless, Koenig confessed his crimes and was convicted. At the time, though, there was a scandal in the community over the firing of a school principal to whom students had complained about Koenig. The principal, who later regretted his decision for obvious reasons, didn’t take their complaints seriously. At the time there were no mandatory reporting laws in Alaska requiring teachers, etc. to report complaints of abuse to law enforcement. My father investigated the matter and ultimately found that no laws had been broken.

    Regardless, the school superintendent still chose to fire the principal. This caused some uproar in the community as some, including Sarah Palin’s father Chuck Heath, felt that while the principal made a mistake it shouldn’t cost him his career. The controversy escalated to the point where the superintendent reported having his tires slashed, though ultimately after my father investigated that incident it turned out that the superintendent had slashed his own tires so he could get new winter tires at the expense of his insurance company (my father arrested him for the crime).

    McGinniss’ angle was to attempt to make Chuck Heath out to be some sort of apologist for a sex predator. That wasn’t the case at all. Heath simply felt that the decision to fire the principal was wrong. A debatable position (my family certainly disagreed), but hardly one that reflects on Heath’s character. Indeed, my family and the Heaths/Palins remain friends to this day.

    My response to McGinniss was to politely decline to comment on the matter, saying that it was a long-dead issue with no bearing on Sarah Palin or her political career (she was in high school at the time) and that my family considers the Heaths/Palins to be fine people and friends. In response, McGinnis sent me another email with a concocted narrative making Chuck Heath out to be some sort of enabler of pedophilia and my father as someone willing to tolerate it even as his own daughter was victimized. McGinniss told me that if I didn’t share my version of the story, this was the version he’d have to run with.


    The modus operandi of McGinniss is clear. He picks up a rumor or weaves together a salacious story and then asks the people he targets to give their side of the story. If they refuse to cooperate he tells them that he will run the rumor/ concocted story as presented.

    This creates problems for people like Palin and Rice who don't want to be involved, in any manner, with a waste of human skin like McGuinniss. McGuinniss is simply playing the old LBJ game:


    There is a story in politics, commonly attributed to Lyndon B. Johnson, about how LBJ wanted to circulate a rumor attacking his opponent in a Texas election. Johnson, it's said, wanted to spread the story that his opponent liked to have sex with barnyard animals. One of LBJ's aides said, "We can't prove he's a pig f----r."
    "I know that," replied Johnson. "I just want to hear him deny it."


    The best thing to do when muckrackers and fabulists swarm around you like zombies from a night of the living dead is to not dignify the accusation with a response.
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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Even the NY Times says the book is not believable.
    A conservative quoting the NY Times. As if somehow they had an ounce of credibility to a conservative on anything else. You can't make this **** up.

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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    A conservative quoting the NY Times. As if somehow they had an ounce of credibility to a conservative on anything else. You can't make this **** up.
    What, are you some kind of segregationist? A cultist... no outside study allowed. Really though, there are good reasons to quote sources outside ones group's periodicals and literature. First, if someone agrees with the 'other's' perspective to some extent and supports the 'other' on that issue. Second, showing an opponent that even the opponent's sources make the claim is a legitimate point. If one was arguing with a mainstream christian and could show how a part of the bible is interpreted in mainstream christian doctrine as contradicting that person... that's a legit move. The christian cannot retort "you don't believe the bible anyway, so you can't use it in an argument against me". What kind of insanity would that be? "You don't really believe in the constitution anyway, so you cannot use it against me".

    Let's review:

    1. It is possible for an 'opposing' publication to make some sense sometimes, for various reasons.
    2. Using an opponent's typical source, or representative source, against them is legit.


    Nevermind, I remember now. It's called partisan.
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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    However, this entire episode does bring up the interesting question about her own ethics she employed while in the reporting profession as a member of the mainstream media.
    Well, it would if there was any actual evidence that this “episode” had actually occurred. So far as I know, the only “evidence“*is the word of a rather credibility-challenged writer who wouldn't have any rational basis on which to know about it if it had happened.

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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    A conservative quoting the NY Times. As if somehow they had an ounce of credibility to a conservative on anything else. You can't make this **** up.
    Actually, given the fact that conservatives tend to believe that the Times will normally stop at nothing to bash conservatives, a story where they defend conservatives would be, in their minds, the ultimate in proof that the attacks in that instance are completely unwarranted. Under the logic of: If even the NYTimes is defending a conservative, then the attacks on that conservative have to be completely unfounded.

    For example, if the Enquirer were to run a story claiming that some particular celebrity didn't have an affair, that would be the most inherently believable story in Enquirer history for many people.

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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That has no bearing on this particular part of the book, though. Even if every other story in the book is false, this one could be true.
    And if I were to say that you routinely sexually abuse and then murder young children, that could be true. Even if I say a lot of other things that are clearly false, this one claim could be true. I've not heard you deny doing any such thing, which seems to imply that such a claim is not entirely unbelievable.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The fact that there have been no denials about it form either Rice or Palin implies that it is not entirely unbelievable.
    I saw Mr. Rice on TV a few days ago saying that it was false, and yesterday, I saw Mrs. Palin on TV also saying it was false. It seems to me that these would constitute “denials”, wouldn't they? And if this did happen, these are the only two people who would plausibly know about it.

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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually, given the fact that conservatives tend to believe that the Times will normally stop at nothing to bash conservatives, a story where they defend conservatives would be, in their minds, the ultimate in proof that the attacks in that instance are completely unwarranted. Under the logic of: If even the NYTimes is defending a conservative, then the attacks on that conservative have to be completely unfounded.

    For example, if the Enquirer were to run a story claiming that some particular celebrity didn't have an affair, that would be the most inherently believable story in Enquirer history for many people.
    Both Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann came out on Governor Palin's side on this.

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    Re: Report: Glen Rice, Sarah Palin had a one-night stand in ’87

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    And if I were to say that you routinely sexually abuse and then murder young children, that could be true. Even if I say a lot of other things that are clearly false, this one claim could be true. I've not heard you deny doing any such thing, which seems to imply that such a claim is not entirely unbelievable.
    You're absolutely right. It could be true, even if you said a lot of other false things. The lack of credibility would imply that agnosticism is required until further examination can occur.

    As the old story goes, one time the boy who cried wolf was telling the truth.


    I saw Mr. Rice on TV a few days ago saying that it was false, and yesterday, I saw Mrs. Palin on TV also saying it was false. It seems to me that these would constitute “denials”, wouldn't they? And if this did happen, these are the only two people who would plausibly know about it.
    Of course those would be denials if they actually occurred.

    But I haven't seen them, myself, so I will continue remain agnostic until such time as I do, because I am not familiar with you and don't have any way to gauge your credibility as a source so I certainly won't blindly trust that you are being truthful.

    A Google search has, thus far, turned up nothing for me regarding them denying the story.

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