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Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

Thunder said:
indeed, saying that society should not flip the healthcare bill for poor people who can't pay their bills, is basically telling the poor to go die in a dark corner.

luckily, we are a Judeo-Christian society...and we do NOT let people simply die in the street.
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We do allow people to die in the street and then refuse to punish the person responsible accordingly....... all in the name of being compassionate.
 
This is an outrage, a real good bunch of "Christians" and I use the term lightly. Their is nothing Christ like any of their actions. The Good Samaritan did NOT walk by the dying man lying in the street and tell him, "I am sorry it was your fiscal responsibility to take care of yourself, I must let you die. Maybe the church down the street will come by and save you". You know a "true" Christian by the fruits, and Let Him Die is not one of them.
Even worse still, not one of those candidates had the nerve to stand up and say, No that is not right. Why? I think they fear their own supporters. At least Mccain was brave enough to stand up when someone said Obama was not an Arab, now President Obama. They are going down a slippery slope, they want to do away with our separation of Church and State....BIG MISTAKE. Go back and read dark ages, Inquistions. It will happen again and it will be led with "Christians" in the fore front (again use that term lightly), they will be persecuting people of any different faith than the one they believe. This country was founded on Christianity, but most were running away from persecution, they knew there must be law so everyone can worship to their own conscience. And giving us the best thing for everyone, amendment with separation of Church and State. God Bless America, and God help us all if any of these candidates get in.
 
They did chant Let him die? Are u hard of hearing? Anyone one can hear them say that.
 
RStringfield said:
The same risks they face today. Massive debt, the need to depend on the charity of others, substandard care, etc.

The chance of full recovery after 4 months in a coma is very slim. As health care costs continue to increase (and they will with more and more government involvement) and the reality of opportunity costs, the government or insurers will be forced to base care on the chance of recovery. Some bureaurat that does not know the patient and has never set eyes on him will choose between whether this patient gets care or if it is given to someone with a better prognosis.

Besides all this, Blitzer's question was nothing but dishonest. The number of employed without insurance is pretty low. One can come up with unlikely scenarios all day that make any REALISTIC answer sound bad. We need to focus on reality and not some stupid questions designed to force the person into taking an unfavorable position.

The real problem are the spiraling costs which are due to government meddling in the market.
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Re: Bold. No it wasn't a dishonest question at all. It's a question about the mandate portion of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), which was conceived by conservatives at the Heritage Foundation. The mandate is meant to catch people who have the means to purchase health insurance but don't bother because they are young and think they can live forever. These people become a burden on society when the find themselves in emergency rooms and don't have the means pay the astronomical costs. Society meaning you and me end up paying for these people.
 
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pbrauer said:
Re: Bold. No it wasn't a dishonest question at all. It's a question about the mandate portion of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), which was conceived by conservatives at the Heritage Foundation. The mandate is meant to catch people who have the means to purchase health insurance but don't bother because they are young and think they can live forever. These people become a burden on society when the find themselves in emergency rooms and don't have the means pay the astronomical costs. Society meaning you and me end up paying for these people.
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One of my daughters sold her salon to pursue a teaching career, she works summers for the woman she sold the salon too. The owner is a young woman who makes a very very good living...she refuses to pay for health insurance always said she doesnt need it....she fell in her house and cracked her spine in two places...she has undergone 3 surgeries and is hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical debt...which she will never pay....there are alot of him and hers out there, that can easily afford health care and absolutely refuse to buy it....
 
lpast said:
One of my daughters sold her salon to pursue a teaching career, she works summers for the woman she sold the salon too. The owner is a young woman who makes a very very good living...she refuses to pay for health insurance always said she doesnt need it....she fell in her house and cracked her spine in two places...she has undergone 3 surgeries and is hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical debt...which she will never pay....there are alot of him and hers out there, that can easily afford health care and absolutely refuse to buy it....
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I don't blame her. I wouldn't buy health care either, especially based on the price which government loves to jack up via regulations. Your anecdote is an unfortunate one, but I don't think I will slip and fall and break my spine either. It is an improbable situation which is likely to never happen.

Again, Ron Paul is right. There is something fundamentally wrong when people purchase health care insurance for everyday accidents rather than to insure against catastrophes. The market system is not working and I "wonder why".
 
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lpast said:
One of my daughters sold her salon to pursue a teaching career, she works summers for the woman she sold the salon too. The owner is a young woman who makes a very very good living...she refuses to pay for health insurance always said she doesnt need it....she fell in her house and cracked her spine in two places...she has undergone 3 surgeries and is hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical debt...which she will never pay....there are alot of him and hers out there, that can easily afford health care and absolutely refuse to buy it....
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Hundreds of Thousands of dollars?

Something tells me she would still be in a **** ton of medical debt WITH insurance. Who pays out like that ?
 
nota bene said:
The number of voices that responded to Paul's remark. You do understand that the issue is what was said, yes, rather than what was seen?

I find difficult to believe that you are genuinely this confused.
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Either you have a serious hearing problem that needs urgent professional care or you are being completely disingenuous because of blind ideological loyalty. I strong suspect it is the second.

Go back and listen to that audio and it is very very clear that many people respond to the question of should we just let him die? Many people far more than just two.

You know I am not confused just as I l know you do not have a hearing problem. You have chosen to BELIEVE what you want to BELIEVE because you want to BELIEVE it.

For you or anyone here to insist that this was two people is absurd and a blatant denial of the actual audio available. But even this farce serves to prove a point. That point being that the armies of the far right not only feel they are entitled to their own opinions but their own facts and reality as well.

And that tells you what is wrong with America today.
 
haymarket said:
Either you have a serious hearing problem that needs urgent professional care or you are being completely disingenuous because of blind ideological loyalty. I strong suspect it is the second.

Go back and listen to that audio and it is very very clear that many people respond to the question of should we just let him die? Many people far more than just two.

You know I am not confused just as I l know you do not have a hearing problem. You have chosen to BELIEVE what you want to BELIEVE because you want to BELIEVE it.

For you or anyone here to insist that this was two people is absurd and a blatant denial of the actual audio available. But even this farce serves to prove a point. That point being that the armies of the far right not only feel they are entitled to their own opinions but their own facts and reality as well.

And that tells you what is wrong with America today.
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"Armies of the far right"? :roll:

And my reality isn't the real "reality"? Oh, okay.

The premise of the opening post is, "This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is." It's a bogus premise based on a hasty generalization.

I'd say that any 1:05 clip of one evening in one place with X number of people in the audience isn't representative of much of anything. I guess I'm not a global thinker who's able to extract an indictment of an entire political movement from 65 seconds.

The video clip in the OP has been removed, so here it is from YouTube for anybody who wants to listen:

 
nota bene said:
"Armies of the far right"? :roll:

And my reality isn't the real "reality"? Oh, okay.

The premise of the opening post is, "This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is." It's a bogus premise based on a hasty generalization.

I'd say that any 1:05 clip of one evening in one place with X number of people in the audience isn't representative of much of anything. I guess I'm not a global thinker who's able to extract an indictment of an entire political movement from 65 seconds.

The video clip in the OP has been removed, so here it is from YouTube for anybody who wants to listen:

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No, you're just looking for any excuse to ignore the obvious beliefs of the rightwingers. This is not the first time the rightwingers have epxressed the opinion that sick people without insurance should just die.

Tea Partiers Mock And Scorn Apparent Parkinson's Victim - YouTube
 
"This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is." It's a bogus premise based on a hasty generalization.
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Actually it is rather accurate and incisive. The tape is evidence of that.
 
Bardo said:
Obviously Jesus had little to say about public vs private sector services in the bronze age. However, if he were alive today would you see him serving money or god?

On the subject of taxes:
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Jesus didn't live during the bronze age, the bronze age was prehistoric. Jesus lived during Classical antiquity.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Jesus didn't live during the bronze age, the bronze age was prehistoric. Jesus lived during Classical antiquity.
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He didn't say that Jesus lived during the Bronze Age. Can't you ever understand a point when it's made figuratively or are you always so literal?
 
sangha said:
He didn't say that Jesus lived during the Bronze Age. Can't you ever understand a point when it's made figuratively or are you always so literal?
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Sangha, you have nothing of value to contribute to this discussion, so please cease any attempt at doing so. You are dismissed with extreme prejudice.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Sangha, you have nothing of value to contribute to this discussion, so please cease any attempt at doing so. You are dismissed with extreme prejudice.
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In that case, I'll spell it out for you because, once again, you missed the point

Bardo's reference to the Bronze Age was meant to convey that when it came to the govt,Jesus was not speaking about situations that did not exist at the time he was alive. Jesus did not speak about the Bronze Age, and similarly, Jesus wasn't talking about a govt like the one we have today. Instead, he was asking about a hypothetical situation (ie What would Jesus say today about the govt not helping the sick who cant afford health care)
 
I gave up on that crowd when i heard tea party express. If it wasn't bad enough, "majority" of them cheered Santorum's they attacked us b/c we're free line. smh...
 
sangha said:
No, you're just looking for any excuse to ignore the obvious beliefs of the rightwingers. This is not the first time the rightwingers have epxressed the opinion that sick people without insurance should just die.

Tea Partiers Mock And Scorn Apparent Parkinson's Victim - YouTube
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While it is a grassroots movement, let's be honest for a change. Every week morons capture people of various political dispositions making awful comments. Every week we get people who are "outraged" at said political disposition because of what a handful or less said. Hell, if I let things like that decide my political disposition, many of the regular posters here would completely change my views. But I don't do that. Why? Because there's too many idiots here, and you don't care too much what they say.
 
Fiddytree said:
While it is a grassroots movement, let's be honest for a change. Every week morons capture people of various political dispositions making awful comments. Every week we get people who are "outraged" at said political disposition because of what a handful or less said. Hell, if I let things like that decide my political disposition, many of the regular posters here would completely change my views. But I don't do that. Why? Because there's too many idiots here, and you don't care too much what they say.
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If your post were truly honest, it would acknowledge all the teabagging bystanders who did nothing to stop that "handful" of morons. From the video, it's obvious that majority support the reprehensible actions of that "handful" of morons
 
Guy Incognito said:
Jesus didn't live during the bronze age, the bronze age was prehistoric. Jesus lived during Classical antiquity.
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The bronze age wasn't prehistoric, infact, the beginnings of written record coincided with the onset of the bronze age.

Anyway, excuse my gaffe and allow me to correct myself:

Obviously, Jesus had little to say about public vs private sector services in the first century.
 
Workers rights? This is why I love hating unions. First hand Americans suck at building stuff. We can't even get a decent car without tons of defects. Union workers make more than most of the regular jobs in the private sector and they just decide to drop their shiiite and say nope, I'm not working cuz I'm not paying into my healthcare plan even though the rest of the states is goin without or has to pay, they also bitch about not getting deserved raises every 6 months or whenever their contract is up. I have no respect for Unions. Your all scum and deserve what you get. Do you see any of the military just saying nope, we're not gonna defend you guys anymore because we aren't makin enough. The world isn't perfect and neither are you. I hope we eventually abolish workers unions. They aren't anything close to what they were when they were started back in the first few decades of the 1900's.
 
Your contempt for America, the American worker and our abilities comes through loud and clear.

And your abysmal ignorance of union history also screams from your post.

btw - welcome to Debate Politics. :)
 
DashingAmerican said:
This is relevant to the thread how?
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Because saying your pro responsibility isn't relevant to your pro life beliefs. Paul says freedom is having the freedom to be irresponsible. Your pro life stance forces responsibility, and therefore, impedes on freedom to be irresponsible. I have no clue why you are pro life, but you aren't actually pro life or pro freedom based on the arguments in this thread. You probably just don't have the balls to support abortion rights, or support actual freedom and small government... lulz.
 
Bardo said:
The bronze age wasn't prehistoric, infact, the beginnings of written record coincided with the onset of the bronze age.
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Wrong. Obviously you need an education, but you're not going to get any more from me. Look it up, I am not a charity.

Bardo said:
Anyway, excuse my gaffe and allow me to correct myself:

Obviously, Jesus had little to say about public vs private sector services in the first century.
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Was that so difficult?
 
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