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Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

How is it more rational to say that everyone needs an education, so we'll provide public schools, but health care is a commodity that should be determined by how much one is willing to pay for service?

There's virtually no upper limit to the amount (and cost) of life-prolonging medical care people need before they finally die. Public Ed is not quite as potentially limitless as keeping people alive is.

The difference being the hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt left behind because he got sick. In an emergency room everyone will get treatment, the problem is the cost of the treatment. Even if you break $400,000 into monthly payments of $1,000 it would take 400 months (33 years) to pay it off.

Care that expensive shouldn't be happening as often as it is. Period.
 
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I have no doubt that's the entire solution for Libertarians(and other GOP refugees).
Thats because Libertarian ideas spring primarily from the "I've got mine, so everyone else can just go **** themselves." school of philosophy.

Well, at least of the right wing of the Libertarian party. There are many of the Libertarian left, such as Bardo, who see the same problems we do.
 
It's available to everyone, not just those who (currently) need it.

Its not for me, its for them. I'm there for the ride and pay for their care and mine. While its true I will get care, its also true I have no reason to expect the same level of care in the new system and I have no interest in joining.

The very notion that someone deserves better (non-cosmetic) medical treatment than someone else because they have more money is absurd.

The system SHOULD be based on level of payment like any other system to provide the maximum level of care for the cheapest. Treating it like a one sized fits all shoe with buffers in the middle of the process raises the prices of care and allows absurd practices to exist.

How is it more rational to say that everyone needs an education, so we'll provide public schools, but health care is a commodity that should be determined by how much one is willing to pay for service?

I support private schooling. Public schooling offers a system of education that has lower baseline.
 
There's virtually no upper limit to the amount (and cost) of life-prolonging medical care people need before they finally die. Public Ed is not quite as potentially limitless as keeping people alive is.

Care that expensive shouldn't be happening as often as it is. Period.

Costs of private treatment are far more expensive than the cost of public treatment. The insurance companies are making a profit, the pharmaceutical companies are making a profit and the actual medical institutions are making a profit. The expense of public health care isn't determined by the profitability of the service, it's determined by the actual need of service. Plus, there would be much less incentive for needless treatment and needless medical products.
 
Oh, you mean the thousand points of light that will magically take over so you don't have to bear any responsibility to your fellow citizens? If that were happening, health care cost would not be the leading cause of bankruptcy in this country.

And even more importantly, as The Institute of Medicine estimates: "18,000 Americans die prematurely each year due to the effects of lack of health insurance coverage."
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I don't have any responsibilty to my fellow citizens, just myself.
 
I don't have any responsibilty to my fellow citizens, just myself.

You sound like you share the same mentality with most people in Congress. Wonder why they're virtually powerless in getting any real work done.
 
Its not for me, its for them. I'm there for the ride and pay for their care and mine. While its true I will get care, its also true I have no reason to expect the same level of care in the new system and I have no interest in joining.

I support private schooling. Public schooling offers a system of education that has lower baseline.

Private schooling is great for those who can afford it. I wouldn't necessarily abolish it, as long as everyone has access to free school I don't see why wealthy families couldn't pay the money to send their kids to private schools. Likewise with health care, as long as everyone has access to free care, I don't see why wealthy patients couldn't pay for private care.
 
You sound like you share the same mentality with most people in Congress. Wonder why they're virtually powerless in getting any real work done.

Sounds like I believe in self-responsibility...I know, what a horrible viewpoint to think people should care for themselves.
 
Sounds like I believe in self-responsibility...I know, what a horrible viewpoint to think people should care for themselves.

Fine. But you have to willing them die, even if it is someone you care about. It's hard thing for many to do.
 
Sounds like I believe in self-responsibility...I know, what a horrible viewpoint to think people should care for themselves.

Most likely you and I are polar opposites on the political spectrum. And the funny thing is that I agree since I too believe in responsibility and I think people should take care of themselves.

I also think people should eat right, exercise, go to bed early, stay in shape, get educated, be frugal, only have kids when you are ready for them and them love them with all your heart body and soul, be constructive members of the community, and all those other things that make for a rather conservative lifestyle.

I also realize that I am not GOD and cannot make all those things reality.
 
Sounds like I believe in self-responsibility...I know, what a horrible viewpoint to think people should care for themselves.

This is where philosophy conflicts with real life application.

Personally, I believe housing should be absolutely free, food and water should be free, people should only have to work 20 hours per week in order to live comfortably ect.

However, these are not pragmatic in practice. Believing something and effectively implementing it are two different things.
 
Fine. But you have to willing them die, even if it is someone you care about. It's hard thing for many to do.
What a ridiculous statement.
I can provide for anyone I want to.

Seriously, you make me laugh.
 
Most likely you and I are polar opposites on the political spectrum. And the funny thing is that I agree since I too believe in responsibility and I think people should take care of themselves.

I also think people should eat right, exercise, go to bed early, stay in shape, get educated, be frugal, only have kids when you are ready for them and them love them with all your heart body and soul, be constructive members of the community, and all those other things that make for a rather conservative lifestyle.

I also realize that I am not GOD and cannot make all those things reality.

Just because you can't make them happen doesn't mean you should let the opposite happen.
 
This is where philosophy conflicts with real life application.

Personally, I believe housing should be absolutely free, food and water should be free, people should only have to work 20 hours per week in order to live comfortably ect.

However, these are not pragmatic in practice. Believing something and effectively implementing it are two different things.

I dare say, caring for yourself is the most practical thing to do.
 
And if you lived on your own island nation - you would be right.

I live in America and I am right. I have no responsibility to anyone except myself and, one day, my offspring.
 
I don't have any responsibilty to my fellow citizens, just myself.

Which explains why Libertarian candidates receive only a tiny, tiny fraction of support in elections by your fellow citizens. You don't care about them, so they don't care about your agenda.

Its works out just as it should!
 
Which explains why Libertarian candidates receive only a tiny, tiny fraction of support in elections by your fellow citizens. You don't care about them, so they don't care about your agenda.

Its works out just as it should!

As if I care what support any politician gets. NEWSFLASH they're all the same.
 
Well, at least of the right wing of the Libertarian party. There are many of the Libertarian left, such as Bardo, who see the same problems we do.

My sincere apologies to Bardo; I had no idea there were any left of center Libertarians left. I thought they had all been co-opted by the recent flood of GOP refugees.
 
Would love for someone to point out ONE way that I am responsible to anyone but myself.
 
As if I care what support any politician gets. NEWSFLASH they're all the same.

So your plan is to just wish things were the way you wanted them to be for you personally? Good plan! LOL!
 
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