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Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

I've not said anything judgemental.

Oh i see. So this little pearl isn't judgmental?

I make $24,000/yr. If I can afford it, virtually anyone can.

Of course not.

I know exactly what it's like to be poor, to live in a trailer my whole life with a single mom, so shut the **** up.

Careful now. Your assclowness is showing. No doubt you had health insurance the whole time too. Especially when you had cancer and a bone marrow transplant at the age of 8.

If you could read, I've never said let them die. I said make them pay for the services they recieved, which is probably hard for you to concieve.

Why would that be? Enlighten me.

Far be it for me to expect you to actually read through the posts.
So when you know what the **** you are talking about come on back.

I just read them again. And guess what? I was right.
 
Oh i see. So this little pearl isn't judgmental?



Of course not.



Careful now. Your assclowness is showing. No doubt you had health insurance the whole time too. Especially when you had cancer and a bone marrow transplant at the age of 8.



Why would that be? Enlighten me.



I just read them again. And guess what? I was right.

Nope, sure didn't. When I spent four days in the hospital I got out and guess what!!! I set up payment plans...HOLY ****!!! Isn't that something.
 
Nope, sure didn't. When I spent four days in the hospital I got out and guess what!!! I set up payment plans...HOLY ****!!! Isn't that something.

Of course you did. Tell me, how long did it take to pay off the $500,000 your insurance company wouldn't cover?
 
Of course you did. Tell me, how long did it take to pay off the $500,000 your insurance company wouldn't cover?
It doesn't matter how long it takes you to pay it off.
 
Force someone to have an unwanted pregnancy because you don't have the stones to mind your own ****ing business and then when your forced morality creates an economic hardship, tough titty..

So it was me that caused economic hardship? Hmm, so lets see, you can either kill your responsibilities away OR you could face them. Gee, I wonder if...nah..nevermind.
 
I'm betting you don't have kids. I certainly hope not.

I got your assclown hanging dasher.. It's people like you that represent all that's wrong with those on the right. Judgmental and myopic and believing life is as simple as Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh tell them it is.. And yet no at real clue what it's like for some folks who are down on their luck through circumstances beyond their control. Such non right wing things such as catastrophic or mental illness. Disability, economic hardship due to illness, etc, etc, etc. But hey, why tell you?

Let him die.

You know so much. Ignoring that plenty of people like Dash and me have been down on our luck or maybe went down that "opps there is a kid and I'm not ready for it route, but nevermind, you just continue to assume things.
 
You know so much. Ignoring that plenty of people like Dash and me have been down on our luck or maybe went down that "opps there is a kid and I'm not ready for it route, but nevermind, you just continue to assume things.

It's commendable that you or anyone else is able to pay their bills.

But to suggest circumstances for others are the same or as easily dealt with as yours, simply because you were able to overcome your obstacles is beyond myopic and naive. It's pompous, arrogant and ignorant.
 
So it was me that caused economic hardship? Hmm, so lets see, you can either kill your responsibilities away OR you could face them. Gee, I wonder if...nah..nevermind.

Ahh, the sweet, sweet smell of compassionate conservatism.
 
It's commendable that you or anyone else is able to pay their bills.

But to suggest circumstances for others are the same or as easily dealt with as yours, simply because you were able to overcome your obstacles is beyond myopic and naive. It's pompous, arrogant and ignorant.

Here we come down play our problems because obviously theirs is worse so obviously that means we have to pay for them. Here comes the fun.
 
Ahh, the sweet, sweet smell of compassionate conservatism.

Like I have a responsibility for anyone other then me and my family? Oh right, to liberals I do. I don't, sorry.

And btw, nice show of compassiate behavior you got there. Death is better than being poor. Surely.

Tell me when that choice makes sense, and tell me when these safety nets start to reach their goal.
 
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Nope, sure didn't. When I spent four days in the hospital I got out and guess what!!! I set up payment plans...HOLY ****!!! Isn't that something.

WHAT?! No way!
 
Of course it isnt...
I dont like my tax dollars going to fund illegitimate wars.... But healthcare is a basic right. How are you going to say it is right that 45,000 people die a year because they cant afford health insurance is ok? How is your health a privatized game?

I'm guessing my work is your right to provide your healthcare. Ofcourse, this whole healthcare is a right business is a bunch of gibberish.
 
No, not if it's from my tax dollars. The money that is taken out of my pocket would be better spent in, say a charity to St. Jude's.

What if the patient is also a tax payer? What if the patient pays more in taxes than you do? Wouldn't he essentially be paying for his own health care if he's been paying taxes for years? You're paying taxes anyway, why do you care if some of it goes to health care? You're already paying for medicare which is even more expensive.

In the case of health care, you can either buy a private company's product, or you can die. Even if I had the money to pay the hospital/doctor/pharmacist out of my own pocket, I would still be dependent on these private companies for my survival, I cant grow a health care tree in my back yard. No wonder America is stubbornly clinging to privatized medicine, we've got the largest, most powerful pharmaceutical and insurance lobbies in the world.

Here I am getting all worked up, I better take a Xanax®

I tried to make it easier for everyone to understand. ^^. This also requires the knowledge of how free market works.

I understand, but I'm not arguing for an effective privatized health care system. And what exactly is alternative health care?
 
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It's commendable that you or anyone else is able to pay their bills.

But to suggest circumstances for others are the same or as easily dealt with as yours, simply because you were able to overcome your obstacles is beyond myopic and naive. It's pompous, arrogant and ignorant.

So is assuming that people can't care for themselves, because the American's are in DESPERATE need of their government.
 
They didn't really chant let him die, did they. Nice try though. Secondly, they guy should've had health insurance. Why should we have to pay for his lack of responsibility?

So, I take it you are in favor of the insurance mandate then?
 
So, I take it you are in favor of the insurance mandate then?

Thats the confusing thing...the gop is fighting the insurance mandate...yet when asked what happens to people that choose not to buy insurance that can afford it...and something catastrophic happens where bills run into the hundreds of thousands or like in that poor girl terry schiavos case MILLIONS..who pays...now its all very convenient to say let him/her die...but what if they are in a coma and need constant care...what then...america gets in the business of murdering them...lol.....seriously this whole thing is such bs...Ron Paul is a nutcase and what he yaps about most of it will never come to be....Ron Paul is living in a 40 yr old lalaland...and his supporters are living a dream that they wish would be reality
 
Not sure how you get that...some warped logic you have there.


Not warped at all...you stated the guy should have had health insurance why should we have to pay for him....well then you have to be for an insurance mandate that FORCES everyone to buy insurance...how else can you make guys like him buy insurance if he doesnt want too...and cost you money....make sense now ?
 
Would people choose to pay for the army, police force or firefighters if it weren't mandated?

Why do people argue that those can be mandated (without any choices to the quality you get ect), and say that in no way should healthcare be mandated (even though you'd have some choices here)?

Aren't these both protection mechanisms for both the individual and society as a whole (police & healthcare)?
 
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So is assuming that people can't care for themselves, because the American's are in DESPERATE need of their government.

My problem with libertarianism, and also why I believe is the reason why no industrialized nation on earth has adopted the ideology, is that ultimately its a utopian belief system that makes a lot of sense in some areas but is completely impractical in others. Take health care for example. You stated that you life on a very modest salary but you can still afford insurance. You also pointed out that you made payments to pay unpaid medical bills after a 4 day hospital stay. That is good and shows some personal responsibility on your part.

However, say God forbid you were diagnosed with something like stage 4 cancer. You have a poor prognosis because of recurrence rates for your type of cancer, but your oncologyst believes that your cancer is treatable in the short term. Basically, the cancer will most likely kill you, but it could take a few years to do so. So you go in for surgery to remove any operable tumors, and then you start chemo. Your insured so 80% of these costs are covered right now. The problem is that you get so sick in the short term that you either lose your job and thus your insurance associated with it, or you are not able to work enough to pay your insurance premiums. So you lose your insurance. At this point, the hospital you are getting treatment from will most likely refer you to a University Hospital. Thats not really a problem in and of itself, because if you have cancer you should have been going to one in the first place because university hospitals almost always have the best cancer centers. That university hospital would then come to you about signing you up for temporary medicaid, you would sign those forms they bring you for it because they want to be paid to treat you, and thats the only way you can possibly pay for that treatment (hundreds of thousands of dollars). So in that situation you would indeed be in "DESPERATE need of your government".

Now you are probably thinking - "wait a second, I could go to a charity hospital for treatment". Maybe so, but most likely that hospital would be hundreds of miles away or even farther and thus it would not be a viable option for you. The reason being is that you still have to live until you die. Thats the problem with dying, many times it doesn't happen very fast. So in the mean time you still have to work when you can to meet your needs of food, water, and shelter. If you are too sick to work at all, then you will be in desperate need of government again when you sign up for disability.

The tea partiers and some libertarians have some nice ideas about how the world would work without those social safety nets, but as you Yogi Berra said "in theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. "
 
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My problem with libertarianism, and also why I believe is the reason why no industrialized nation on earth has adopted the ideology, is that ultimately its a utopian belief system that makes a lot of sense in some areas but is completely impractical in others. Take health care for example. You stated that you life on a very modest salary but you can still afford insurance. You also pointed out that you made payments to pay unpaid medical bills after a 4 day hospital stay. That is good and shows some personal responsibility on your part.

However, say God forbid you were diagnosed with something like stage 4 cancer. You have a poor prognosis because of recurrence rates for your type of cancer, but your oncologyst believes that your cancer is treatable in the short term. Basically, the cancer will most likely kill you, but it could take a few years to do so. So you go in for surgery to remove any operable tumors, and then you start chemo. Your insured so 80% of these costs are covered right now. The problem is that you get so sick in the short term that you either lose your job and thus your insurance associated with it, or you are not able to work enough to pay your insurance premiums. So you lose your insurance. At this point, the hospital you are getting treatment from will most likely refer you to a University Hospital. Thats not really a problem in and of itself, because if you have cancer you should have been going to one in the first place because university hospitals almost always have the best cancer centers. That university hospital would then come to you about signing you up for temporary medicaid, you would sign those forms they bring you for it because they want to be paid to treat you, and thats the only way you can possibly pay for that treatment (hundreds of thousands of dollars). So in that situation you would indeed be in "DESPERATE need of your government".

Now you are probably thinking - "wait a second, I could go to a charity hospital for treatment". Maybe so, but most likely that hospital would be hundreds of miles away or even farther and thus it would not be a viable option for you. The reason being is that you still have to live until you die. Thats the problem with dying, many times it doesn't happen very fast. So in the mean time you still have to work when you can to meet your needs of food, water, and shelter. If you are too sick to work at all, then you will be in desperate need of government again when you sign up for disability.

The tea partiers and some libertarians have some nice ideas about how the world would work without those social safety nets, but as you Yogi Berra said "in theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. "


Exactly my sentiments...they have some great ideas and they have ideas that are totally impractical in our society that would never float....Ron Paul to me is living in an america 40 yrs ago...
 
Watching the debate on Monday night, I too was disgusted with the audience outburst. However, having been involved in debating rightist libertarians for the last decade, I think its a good thing that such vitriol and hatred came out in public and was exposed to a national audience.
 
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