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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And that has already been cleared up. Why keep beating the same dead horse that everyone accepts is dead?

    Youtube has the same video with other titles if it makes you feel better.
    Good. So you understand.

    Now hopefully others will stop saying that the crowd said "let him die".

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Good. So you understand.

    Now hopefully others will stop saying that the crowd said "let him die".
    Just who here is saying that the audio track has the crowd saying "let him die"?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just who here is saying that the audio track has the crowd saying "let him die"?
    Some of those in this very thread.

    I wonder how many of them realize this or not.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Some of those in this very thread.

    I wonder how many of them realize this or not.
    Like who , where?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Like who , where?
    If you want to find the answer, feel free to search these 600 posts.

    They probably have changed their minds and realized the crowd wasn't yelling "let him die".

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If you want to find the answer, feel free to search these 600 posts.

    They probably have changed their minds and realized the crowd wasn't yelling "let him die".
    Sorry but I do not see anybody maintaining that,,, and neither do you.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Sp far, we had one debate crowd cheering on executions, and another with people cheering on letting people die.

    The rightwingers are both pro-life and pro-death
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    This makes no sense and is extremely ironic. Liberals love to apply this ridiculous spin, suggesting that a person keeping to himself infringes on others. This couldn't be more backwards.
    Getting treatments in a hospital is not "keeping to himself", it necessitate interactions with others in the community.


    "Individual independence and self-reliance affect us all. In response, a central authority must control our decisions."

    This country has lost its mind.
    It makes complete sense in a none black and white world. Freedom must be balanced by the harm it does to other people. I don't think anyone can disagree with that if they have any sanity. It makes perfect sense to infringe on someone's freedom if they have made the decision to kill someone else. We do not leave people who want to be "self-reliant" and "individually independent" in dealing out justice to others to do as they please. So the question is not whether it's ever okay to infringe on personal freedom, anyone who question that is not living in reality, but what are the costs and benefits of doing so. Granted you can believe that forcing someone to buy health insurance produces more harm than benefits, but others can believe otherwise and be completely in their right mind.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Nonsense. You argued that a benefit of Paul's approach (that is, you think Paul's supporters see this as a benefit not that you see it as one) would be to reduce the amount of uncompensated care implying that those people would be left to die. But, without a mandate people will still get care as they do now without a mandate because the doctors and hospitals are too kind to turn these people away. They are not the inhuman monsters that you wish to make them out to be. They want to help other people. Yes, they have their own needs and want to get paid, but they are not heartless.
    You are inferring all over the place. Read my posts again and maybe you'll get what I was saying. Some of it were sarcasm to show the contradictions in the position Paul holds.


    That is not what you said before. You claimed that no mandate would reduce the uncompensated care because those with out insurance would be left to die.
    I did not say that. You are mistaken.


    It does not address costs at all. It addresses who bears the cost, i.e., who pays. It does not reduce the cost. It just shifts the burden and once we can no longer afford it there will be rationing.
    What is cost? Think on that.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What?

    If you say you didn't say numerous times now that what that it appears I'm for them dieing go right ahead.
    Your new line of arguement is to write sentences that make no sense?

    If you want to talk about logic, at least try to understand the difference between "letting someone die" and "wishing death on someone".


    How is government being the only legal arbor of force equal to everything else? How is the idea prevention in government usually calls for restricting rights and liberties equal to protections in your life that just call on your action on your own free will? Its not.
    You said they are both not "reliable", if they are both not reliable, the logically consistent position is to treat them in the same way when it comes to reliability. And now you're ranting, with no logical arguement. Clearly you don't know what you want to say from one post to the next.

    Which it never is.
    You demonstrate your lack of logic and understanding with every post, clearly it's true.


    Look up the term and get back to me. I will admit its closer than it ever was intended to be, but its still falls short.
    I don't have to look up anything. You are the one who have to prove why you are sane when you say that the US does not have democracy.


    General protection, IE police and military are related to the reason government even exists. Without them there would be no purpose to government. Like I said plenty of times this has nothing to do with what I want.
    If you actually read for comprehension, you might understand what the arguement is.


    If they are moral or not is not the point. They are based on logic.
    So why did you ask the question of whether something is "moral" if "morality" is not the point? You don't understand logic, that's the problem.

    If you say so.
    No. Not my say so. It's what your written words demonstrate.





    They are all connected on personal level where they personally know and are dependent on the others for survival. We are not.
    Then you are not living in reality. The reality is that almost everyone is dependent on other people they don't "personally know" for survival. Your clean water, whether from the tape or the bottle, were checked and tested by many people you never met. Your car's safety were ensured by people you probably never met. These people all have a "duty of care" towards you even though they have never met you. And the product of your labour is probably being purchased by people you've never met, whose money feed you and your family, and whether you realise it or not, you have a "duty of care" towards these people too.


    Comparing animals to human generally fails and comparing them on how they protect each other is just another example.
    If that's the case, why did you claim that the "natural responsibility" towards the group does not "exist outside of man made creation" as if it is a valid arguement in this thread? Do you notice how you flip on yourself every time your arguement fails?


    The problems in this country exist because of government intervention and the third party system. In other systems they worry about price while giving up care. The mandate doesn't do much of anything other than spread cost to cover up bad policy.
    That's your opinion, you are free to have it, it doesn't make it true.


    Morals as you understand them never has made any sense. Its the kind of nonsense some hard line conservatives use on gay marriage. It not about logic and all about the feelings of the person that have them.
    I doubt you know anything about my understanding of morality. You have failed to grasp the arguements I made from the beginning. Your arguements are void of logic for the most part and they never rose above your subjectivity and totally unrealistic world views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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