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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, we all need to rely on the knidness of strangers. That is largely the most effective way to handle a problem. Very pragmatic.
    And it's hypocritical for the "personal responsibility" wingnuts to base their arguments on the claim that someone else will pay

    But no one expects the hypocrits to be consistent when applying their principles since they have none
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sephiroth2009 View Post
    Where the hell were these so called "defenders of the Constitution" when Bush signed the Patriot Act into law?

    To be honest, I think this Tea Party is just going to be used to demonize the true patriots who question the Government and wants to see real change. Which isn't going to come from some politician in a cheesy suit.
    They are hypocrits. They chant their slogans about "personal responsibility" and "small govt" when convenient and toss them aside to get what they really want
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That system would work if there were clinics were people could recieve the most basic of services for a reasonable fee. The problem with having such clinics is that there is a potential for a lawsuit EVERY time a doctor sees a patient. Engage legal reform and you would see a LOT of the costs go down. As it is, we see a patient in the ER and regardless of their insurance status, we run bloodwork, scans, you name it. You HAVE to. Miss something and you get sued.
    I remember him answering this problem in a debate....lemme find it.

    GOP Debate Excerpts -- Paul, Santorum, Pawlenty On Health Care - YouTube @ 3:05

    I'm pretty sure he wrote a lengthy article going into more detail about it somewhere (usually does about everything).



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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That system would work if there were clinics were people could recieve the most basic of services for a reasonable fee. The problem with having such clinics is that there is a potential for a lawsuit EVERY time a doctor sees a patient. Engage legal reform and you would see a LOT of the costs go down. As it is, we see a patient in the ER and regardless of their insurance status, we run bloodwork, scans, you name it. You HAVE to. Miss something and you get sued.
    I'm not opposed to legal reform, but it is overstated by many conservatives. One, the effect on price isn't that high. And places like Texas where such reform has happened, the results have not been stellar. So, we should not see this as a panacea, or even a major piece to the puzzle, but just a single minor piece.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    I hear that Paul doesn't care about the minorities.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sephiroth2009 View Post
    I hear that Paul doesn't care about the minorities.
    Can you source that?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Well I said I heard but according to his views I can probably relate.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Fifty-eight pages in and we're still going on with this sort of nonsense?

    Krhazy, I could drop my insurance right now and take my chances. Save the cash, apply it toward whatever I want. Can you stop me? Should you be able to stop me from dropping my insurance?

    No, you cannot stop me and you should not be able to stop me. Nor should the federal government. I should be able to take this risk if I want to. I can take all sorts of OTHER risks in my life that might lead to my death. I can take this one too. There is no reason I should not be able to. If I ended up dying, no one would have therefore administered a death penalty upon me. I am not being penalized by dying. I am simply facing a consequence of my own decision making. I took a chance and did not get the outcome I wanted.

    The major problems inherent to our health care system are that we excuse people from all the natural potential consequences of this risk, and that we don't ration enough.

    It is simply un****ingbelievable how much liberals are twisting this issue into a melodramatic appeal to pity over and over and over again. Grow up, people. Jesus H. Christ.
    You don't have the right to take a risk if I have the pay the bill for it. If I don't have to pay for it, that must mean that you don't get the services or you are sent into crushing debt. Either consequence to me is far more ridiculous and draconian a position than favoring a relatively small monetary penalty. It's not overdramatic at all. In the real world, the choice to not have health insurance has serious effects on society, not just the individual.

    The problem with some conservatives is they refuse to admit that their autonomy affects other people. All the while touting personal responsibility...
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So why do you keep replying to me if you believe that?
    What?

    You are now plainly lying.
    If you say you didn't say numerous times now that what that it appears I'm for them dieing go right ahead.


    If two things are the same, it's logically consistent to treat them the same.
    How is government being the only legal arbor of force equal to everything else? How is the idea prevention in government usually calls for restricting rights and liberties equal to protections in your life that just call on your action on your own free will? Its not.


    It is when it's true.
    Which it never is.



    You are not in touch with reality.
    Look up the term and get back to me. I will admit its closer than it ever was intended to be, but its still falls short.


    Until you contradicted yourself by saying that there are "all kinds of things" you want the government to provide for you. In any case, I've already said that you want the government to provide only what you want it to (i.e. you think it ought to) provide for you. You don't want healthcare provided by the government - so "what needs" to be provided for everyone is not healthcare. You contradicted that and now you confirm it again.
    General protection, IE police and military are related to the reason government even exists. Without them there would be no purpose to government. Like I said plenty of times this has nothing to do with what I want.

    I didn't ask you what you want, I asked if those laws were "moral".
    If they are moral or not is not the point. They are based on logic.
    The problem with you is that what's "logical" is tied to what you "want" or what you think it ought to be. You can't see it, but your answers confirm that every time.
    If you say so.




    Wrong. It exists in other social animals too. Dolphins have been known to protect the members of their pods, even killing sharks to revenge their members. Elephants have been known to conduct funerals for their dead members. Birds share the burden of flying in front when migrating. Penguins huddle together to shield each other from the wind and cold and share their heat. Even lions hunt in pack and share their kills.
    They are all connected on personal level where they personally know and are dependent on the others for survival. We are not. Comparing animals to human generally fails and comparing them on how they protect each other is just another example.

    Contradicted by the following:



    My arguements are base on the problems currently experienced in the system and the remedies used in other countries - mandate makes people buy insurance - that's proven in Switzerland. None of your arguements so far are supported by actual facts on the ground.
    The problems in this country exist because of government intervention and the third party system. In other systems they worry about price while giving up care. The mandate doesn't do much of anything other than spread cost to cover up bad policy.


    Say whatever you want, it doesn't make anything you say true. Try to understand what "subjectivity" means, and you might understand my arguements.
    Morals as you understand them never has made any sense. Its the kind of nonsense some hard line conservatives use on gay marriage. It not about logic and all about the feelings of the person that have them.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sephiroth2009 View Post
    I hear that Paul doesn't care about the minorities.
    I find people that say someone doesn't care about the poor or minorities are only talking about their own policies and the lack of support that person has for them.

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