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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    One can always rely on themselves...........

    If you cant do it alone... then you should be left to rely on your family and the kindness of friends and your community.

    NOT on compulsory assistance where the government forced someone else to take care of you.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is.

    Lol. I see. They are against the Obamacare mandate because they would prefer death as a penalty for not buying health insurance. It all makes sense now!
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

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    more like a "paper tiger".
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    I love how progressives paint out Ron Paul to be some sort of radical. It is Ron Paul that proclaims that "We don't have to cut Medicare or Social Security in order to get our House in Order". It is progressives that are attacking medicare and social security. They just have proposed billions of dollars in cuts.

    However, we live in mad world where up is down and night is day.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Lol. I see. They are against the Obamacare mandate because they would prefer death as a penalty for not buying health insurance. It all makes sense now!
    Fifty-eight pages in and we're still going on with this sort of nonsense?

    Krhazy, I could drop my insurance right now and take my chances. Save the cash, apply it toward whatever I want. Can you stop me? Should you be able to stop me from dropping my insurance?

    No, you cannot stop me and you should not be able to stop me. Nor should the federal government. I should be able to take this risk if I want to. I can take all sorts of OTHER risks in my life that might lead to my death. I can take this one too. There is no reason I should not be able to. If I ended up dying, no one would have therefore administered a death penalty upon me. I am not being penalized by dying. I am simply facing a consequence of my own decision making. I took a chance and did not get the outcome I wanted.

    The major problems inherent to our health care system are that we excuse people from all the natural potential consequences of this risk, and that we don't ration enough.

    It is simply un****ingbelievable how much liberals are twisting this issue into a melodramatic appeal to pity over and over and over again. Grow up, people. Jesus H. Christ.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I completely agree with you, Paul is just another politician. "The Libertarian" is just his schtick. He's so close to the presidency he can taste it, and like all good politicians he is walking back his extreme ideals to appeal to the middle. Libertarians are so far from the middle, though, that you can walk them back all day and still not be anywhere close to the middle.

    Libertarian presidential politics is a joke. Libertarianism is incompatible with the political mainstream. The real work of libertarian politics is done in philosophy departments. On rare occasions a grassroots movement will get a local government spot, and that's a pretty big coup. But in order for a libertarian to break into the mainstream, they have to completely sell out their principles, and become a "fusionist-libertarian." AKA, not a libertarian at all, but a Repblican who likes to call himself a libertarian.
    Why is that selling out their principles? My principle has always been that more liberty is better than less. Not that liberty must be an all or nothing proposition. Too many libertarians want the quick win or a big home run that will settle the issues once and for all. Holding out for a fantasy that is never going to happen is not acting on the courage of your convictions (btw, they did not yell "let him die" they yelled "yes"). In my opinion it is a sign of their laziness and insincerity.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Sounds a lot like **** 'em watch 'em die to me. Maybe our disagreement is not one of fundamental principle, however. Would you agree, even if his neighbors shouldn't be coerced into providing for them, they do in fact have a moral responsibility to do so of their own volition?
    You did not ask me, but....

    Personally, I don't pretend to be able to tell others what their morality should be. One has to figure that out on their own. I am not going to preach to them or try to force them. I may try to reason with them, but mostly I can only hope to lead by example.

    But, let's say we get rid of 50% of all government welfare and warfare programs and tell people if they think more needs to be done then they need to get busy doing it. Do you think people will be more inclined to donate to buying bombs for the military or to helping those in need? Or maybe they will send donations to Bank of America?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    This makes no sense whatsoever. Supposedly, the mandate is all about collecting for the uncompensated care that hospitals give freely to people. Outside of an er visits, hospitals are not required to care for anyone that can't show an ability to pay. They do it because the world is not filled with heartless bastards that need an institution that has spent trillions on killing innocent people (the US government) to tell them how to be moral.
    The mandate is about making people save for their own care before they fall ill - that's what insurance are for.

    If they pay for people who won't save for their own healthcare expenses, then they are encouraging irresponsible behaviour instead of letting these people face the consequences of their poor decisions, i.e. the risk they took by not buying health insurance.

    It's the libertarian position that makes no sense in reality.


    Unless, we address the problem of costs, "rationing" will be more common.
    Making people save for their healthcare instead of paying the bills for them through "charity care" is addressing the problem of costs.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I don't blame her. I wouldn't buy health care either, especially based on the price which government loves to jack up via regulations. Your anecdote is an unfortunate one, but I don't think I will slip and fall and break my spine either. It is an improbable situation which is likely to never happen.

    Again, Ron Paul is right. There is something fundamentally wrong when people purchase health care insurance for everyday accidents rather than to insure against catastrophes. The market system is not working and I "wonder why".

    Well your wrong...these accidents happen everyday to more than one person in the country and it costs us all a FORTUNE....you cant just pooh pooh away facts.....and ron paul is dead wrong...everyone needs health care against accidents and accidents can very well be catastrophic....accidents arent planned and pre determined thats why they are called accidents.....

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Well your wrong...these accidents happen everyday to more than one person in the country and it costs us all a FORTUNE....you cant just pooh pooh away facts.....and ron paul is dead wrong...everyone needs health care against accidents and accidents can very well be catastrophic....accidents arent planned and pre determined thats why they are called accidents.....
    I believe it was said earlier in the thread that Paul said "we need a system where patients pay cash for basic services and carry insurance only for serious illnesses and accidents.".



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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Fifty-eight pages in and we're still going on with this sort of nonsense?

    Krhazy, I could drop my insurance right now and take my chances. Save the cash, apply it toward whatever I want. Can you stop me? Should you be able to stop me from dropping my insurance?

    No, you cannot stop me and you should not be able to stop me. Nor should the federal government. I should be able to take this risk if I want to. I can take all sorts of OTHER risks in my life that might lead to my death. I can take this one too. There is no reason I should not be able to. If I ended up dying, no one would have therefore administered a death penalty upon me. I am not being penalized by dying. I am simply facing a consequence of my own decision making. I took a chance and did not get the outcome I wanted.

    The major problems inherent to our health care system are that we excuse people from all the natural potential consequences of this risk, and that we don't ration enough.

    It is simply un****ingbelievable how much liberals are twisting this issue into a melodramatic appeal to pity over and over and over again. Grow up, people. Jesus H. Christ.
    Why am I reminded by this post of the para-suicide female teen "drama queen" who screams "It is MY life I can take it if I want to!!" Then downs a bottle of whatever and rings the bloody Ambulance to take her into hospital!

    The problem actually is NOT those who die - it is those who get sick and DON'T die. The ones who end up ill for months lose their jobs and finally become just another burden on the tax payer.

    Most countries with socialised medicine "get" this. Healthy population = productive population
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