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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what...you don't think Jesus would let someone die in the street even if he had the means to help him?

    We all know Jesus'message was clear: We are not our brother's keeper. It is survivial of the fittest. He said don't feed the hungry, throw the first stone, bring no compasion to the law. Let them die.





    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

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    Im kinda mixed. He had all the capabilities to get insurance but he didn't. Now we pay for it when something bad happens because he thought he was invincible. Of course, he should get treated so he doesn't die but doesn't anybody feel at least a bit upset of his decision?
    Sure. But we know in advance it will happen. Are we any more responsible collectively for not planning for it? Leaving ad hock ,assures prices will be higher, we'll all paid for it, and likely more than we have had we apporcahed this with some sort of plan. Isn't not planing also irresponsible?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No. Not a bunch of people. Two people. Two clods. Only two.
    Deosn't matter that much. It is an indictment that anyoen in the group would think this way. That is shocking enough on its own. Sure, we have people who we should question in all groups, and they don't represent the entire group, but that such thinking would be spoken out loud at all by anyone is damning. And largely something I think reasonable people would want to denounce and stear clear of.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We all know Jesus'message was clear: We are not our brother's keeper. It is survivial of the fittest. He said don't feed the hungry, throw the first stone, bring no compasion to the law. Let them die.


    You'll have to direct me to where He said that governments were responsible for caring for the needy.

    Or if that's too difficult, perhaps you can tell me which government(s) that funded Mother Theresa's work with the poorest of the poor on the streets of Calcutta.

    Just FYI, what Jesus called for was individual compassion and acts of charity...not organizations. Calls to conscience are always individual and, so far as I can tell, beyond either the scope or hope of any government.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You'll have to direct me to where He said that governments were responsible for caring for the needy.

    Or if that's too difficult, perhaps you can tell me which government(s) that funded Mother Theresa's work with the poorest of the poor on the streets of Calcutta.

    Just FYI, what Jesus called for was individual compassion and acts of charity...not organizations. Calls to conscience are always individual and, so far as I can tell, beyond either the scope or hope of any government.
    if you are saying that Jesus would have been perfectly fine with governments allowing sick people to die, you are very wrong.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You'll have to direct me to where He said that governments were responsible for caring for the needy.

    Or if that's too difficult, perhaps you can tell me which government(s) that funded Mother Theresa's work with the poorest of the poor on the streets of Calcutta.

    Just FYI, what Jesus called for was individual compassion and acts of charity...not organizations. Calls to conscience are always individual and, so far as I can tell, beyond either the scope or hope of any government.
    Try Romans.

    But understand, people are governments and governments consist of people. We the people, of the people, by the people, for the people, make decisions. Government is not divorced from our will.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Try Romans.

    But understand, people are governments and governments consist of people. We the people, of the people, by the people, for the people, make decisions. Government is not divorced from our will.
    Please direct me to where I need to look in Romans. I'm no scholar. Is this where Jesus says,
    "We are not our brother's keeper. It is survivial of the fittest. He said don't feed the hungry, throw the first stone, bring no compasion to the law. Let them die"?

    This is what you've claimed. I'm going to be disappointed and regard you as dishonest if you can't cite chapter and verse.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Please direct me to where I need to look in Romans. I'm no scholar. Is this where Jesus says,
    "We are not our brother's keeper. It is survivial of the fittest. He said don't feed the hungry, throw the first stone, bring no compasion to the law. Let them die"?

    This is what you've claimed. I'm going to be disappointed and regard you as dishonest if you can't cite chapter and verse.
    Wow, is someone actually suggesting that Jesus was a Libertarian who believed folks should pull themselves up by their bootstraps or die on the street?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Deosn't matter that much. It is an indictment that anyoen in the group would think this way. That is shocking enough on its own. Sure, we have people who we should question in all groups, and they don't represent the entire group, but that such thinking would be spoken out loud at all by anyone is damning. And largely something I think reasonable people would want to denounce and stear clear of.
    Oh, I see. You acknowledge, having listened to the audio, that it wasn't an entire crowd of tea-partiers who shouted, "Let him die!" (In fact, two men said only "Yeah!")

    Now what matters is that two individuals, whom we don't know anything about except that they were in the audience of this Republican Presidential debate, said this. The fact that they did, even though we don't know who they were or their ages or political affiliation, is an indictment of the entire Tea Party. Because one of two individuals are always representative of entire groups, and there's no possibility at all that their crass behavior was owned solely by them.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Please direct me to where I need to look in Romans. I'm no scholar. Is this where Jesus says,
    "We are not our brother's keeper. It is survivial of the fittest. He said don't feed the hungry, throw the first stone, bring no compasion to the law. Let them die"?

    This is what you've claimed. I'm going to be disappointed and regard you as dishonest if you can't cite chapter and verse.
    Do you believe that is what I claimed? No. I clear suggest we are our brother's keeper, feed the hungry, don't throw the first stone, and bring compassion to the law. Don't let them die. Now all of this would require a larger read, like the entire bible.

    Let me start youn off:

    Galatians 6:2 ESV / 18 helpful votes
    Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

    What Does the Bible Say About My Brothers Keeper?

    "If one of your countrymen becomes poor and sells some of his property, his nearest relative is to come and redeem what his countryman has sold. . . . If one of your countrymen becomes poor and is unable to support himself among you, help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue to live among you. . . . If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave." Leviticus 25:25, 35, 39

    "On the contrary: If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.'" Romans 12:20
    "For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem." Romans 15:26

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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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