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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Paul couldnt even answer that question...he knows the answer....Society WILL PAY...this isnt medival america....
    Paul couldn't answer that question because the libertarian answer is politically incorrect in our society. Even in a Republican audience most people are too mushy-headed an emotional to contemplate a system that allows for death. Nevermind the cognitive dissonance with regard to the death penalty on the right, or abortion on the left. Also, nevermind that plenty of people are "allowed to die" by the government all the time. Socialized healthcare is no panacea, pun intended. There will always be people that the system allows to die, the real question is do we want a system of coercion or a system of freedom?

    People who feel instead of think will never understand libertarianism.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Was it any less disingenuous to suggest that a universal health care system would have "death panels"?
    What's disingenuous is imputing something Sarah Palin said to Ron Paul.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm stil curious as to how a person in a coma is supposed to assume "personal responsibility" for theme selves....
    They're supposed to do that before they go into a coma.

    An adult must confront the unpleasant possibility that they will be rendered incapacitated, and it is each adult's moral responsibility make arrangements for such an eventuality. If they make no arrangements, that's their failure, and their neighbors should not be coerced into providing for those who fail to be responsible.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    The lie is:

    That didn't happen; make up your reality as usual.
    Molon, what on earth are you doing? It clearly happened, it's on video for crying out loud.

    Don't try to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Have the courage of your convictions to defend it.

    Personally, when it comes to an uninsured adult who would die unless somebody else is coerced into helping, I say enthusiastically, "Let him die!"

    Or, more to the point, I would say, "Don't let anybody else be coerced into helping!"
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Paul couldn't answer that question because the libertarian answer is politically incorrect in our society. Even in a Republican audience most people are too mushy-headed an emotional to contemplate a system that allows for death. Nevermind the cognitive dissonance with regard to the death penalty on the right, or abortion on the left. Also, nevermind that plenty of people are "allowed to die" by the government all the time. Socialized healthcare is no panacea, pun intended. There will always be people that the system allows to die, the real question is do we want a system of coercion or a system of freedom?

    People who feel instead of think will never understand libertarianism.
    I agree with you and disagree with you. Yes, Paul felt he could not answer the question because the libertarian answer is indeed politically correct. But as a politician, he knew that if he dared to answer it honestly as he believes, the price to pay would be very high. That tells me that Paul knows that his philosophy is not accepted by the vast majority of people and much of it is actually repugnant to most Americans. If he is the principled libertarian poster boy that his worshippers paint him out to be, he should have stepped up to the plate and given an honest answer. But Ron Paul - like almost all politicians - embraces compromise as is evident by him turning his back on the Libertarian Party and running as a Republican for the convenience of winning elective office.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I agree with you and disagree with you. Yes, Paul felt he could not answer the question because the libertarian answer is indeed politically correct. But as a politician, he knew that if he dared to answer it honestly as he believes, the price to pay would be very high. That tells me that Paul knows that his philosophy is not accepted by the vast majority of people and much of it is actually repugnant to most Americans. If he is the principled libertarian poster boy that his worshippers paint him out to be, he should have stepped up to the plate and given an honest answer. But Ron Paul - like almost all politicians - embraces compromise as is evident by him turning his back on the Libertarian Party and running as a Republican for the convenience of winning elective office.
    I completely agree with you, Paul is just another politician. "The Libertarian" is just his schtick. He's so close to the presidency he can taste it, and like all good politicians he is walking back his extreme ideals to appeal to the middle. Libertarians are so far from the middle, though, that you can walk them back all day and still not be anywhere close to the middle.

    Libertarian presidential politics is a joke. Libertarianism is incompatible with the political mainstream. The real work of libertarian politics is done in philosophy departments. On rare occasions a grassroots movement will get a local government spot, and that's a pretty big coup. But in order for a libertarian to break into the mainstream, they have to completely sell out their principles, and become a "fusionist-libertarian." AKA, not a libertarian at all, but a Repblican who likes to call himself a libertarian.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post

    They're supposed to do that before they go into a coma.

    An adult must confront the unpleasant possibility that they will be rendered incapacitated, and it is each adult's moral responsibility make arrangements for such an eventuality. If they make no arrangements, that's their failure, and their neighbors should not be coerced into providing for those who fail to be responsible.
    Just wondering ... which side of the "let her die" debate were you on as Terri Schiavo lied in a persistent vegetative state?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Just wondering ... which side of the "let her die" debate were you on as Terri Schiavo lied in a persistent vegetative state?
    The "let her legally authorized representative decide" side. I am a firm believer in the right to die, that's a pretty standard (if politically incorrect) libertarian belief.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    d their neighbors should not be coerced into providing for those who fail to be responsible.
    Sounds a lot like **** 'em watch 'em die to me. Maybe our disagreement is not one of fundamental principle, however. Would you agree, even if his neighbors shouldn't be coerced into providing for them, they do in fact have a moral responsibility to do so of their own volition?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Sounds a lot like **** 'em watch 'em die to me. Maybe our disagreement is not one of fundamental principle, however. Would you agree, even if his neighbors shouldn't be coerced into providing for them, they do in fact have a moral responsibility to do so of their own volition?
    They have a moral responsibility to help, sure, but that is between them and God. They should have a legal right to not help if they choose.

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