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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what...you don't think Jesus would let someone die in the street even if he had the means to help him?

    So you think that Jesus would have the state (the villains in his story) go out and tax others rather than have his churches take on the mission? I have read his story many times and I don't see him doing that.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Nonsense. It is your position that leads to divisiveness and tribalism. Eventually, all the blood that can be drained from the host is and the special interest start going to war with one another over who should benefit most from confiscating the property of others. That is what we see over and over in these big government boondoggles.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Which has what to do with UHC? The problem is much bigger than how to care for the poor and disabled.
    Not much, really. The point is simply to illustrate the untenable nature of the extreme "personal responsibility" argument. There are people who actually in no way can take responsibility for themselves. Therefore to say that you have no obligation to anyone beyond yourself and your family, is to say **** 'em, watch 'em die.

    Second, as you note, there is a long continuum between those people totally incapable of caring for themselves all the way over to those capable of caring for themselves and the population of small nation states (e.g. Warren Buffet). I don't claim to know the rights and responsibilities that should be assigned to everyone in that mix, but they clearly differ from one end of the spectrum to the other.

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of UHC... but I seriously don't understand what the big deal is. I guess it's the individual mandate, but hell - I have to buy car insurance too if I'm going to drive.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Not much, really. The point is simply to illustrate the untenable nature of the extreme "personal responsibility" argument. There are people who actually in no way can take responsibility for themselves. Therefore to say that you have no obligation to anyone beyond yourself and your family, is to say **** 'em, watch 'em die...
    indeed, saying that society should not flip the healthcare bill for poor people who can't pay their bills, is basically telling the poor to go die in a dark corner.

    luckily, we are a Judeo-Christian society...and we do NOT let people simply die in the street.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Not one person in the audience ever said let him die, the only person that even suggest such a thing was Blitzer. Ron Paul never suggested any such thing, that is why they cut the tape when then did... .so you couldn't hear the rest of his answer.

    Paul >> I practiced medicine before we had medicaid in the early 1960s when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospital. And we've given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourself, our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea -- that's the reason the cost is so high. The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy. It becomes special interests, it kowtows to the special interests and the drug company, then on top of that you have the inflation, the inflation devalues the dollar. We have lack of competition. There's no competition in medicine. Everybody is protected by licensing. We should legalize alternative health care. Allow people to practice what they want.
    But I can understand the liberal zeal, after all they love to duck responsibility for anything. In this case there was a choice made not to buy insurance, who was responsible for making that choice ? No one but Blitzer suggested letting the man die, ahh but what the hell why would a liberal let something like the truth get in the way of a chance to continue their assault on Republicans and the tea party right.

    Lastly, can anyone here say with a shred of proof, that it was a tea party member, that applauded when Blitzer asked are you going to let him die? Or is that just another assumption you liberals like to make ??

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    I'm stil curious as to how a person in a coma is supposed to assume "personal responsibility" for theme selves....

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    It was more than one or two. I'm not going to argue the semantics of the word "bunch".
    Thanks good to know because there's no semantic fine point here. English has a words for "two." Those words are "duo," "couple" and "pair." A "bunch" is defined as a "group," not a "pair" or a "trio."

    I listened to the audio and counted two; you can do the same. Unseen guy says, "Yeah!" and then another says more loudly the same. Anyone with ears can hear that this just isn't so, and anybody with eyes can see that nobody knows who those two men were because cameras weren't on them.

    And the real point is that all of this is an attempt to smear tea-partiers by claiming that a "crowd" shouted "Let him die!"

    Dishonest.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Wait until it's their own uninsured 30 year old kid.
    You ever heard of an oxymoron, Helix?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Thanks good to know because there's no semantic fine point here. English has a words for "two." Those words are "duo," "couple" and "pair." A "bunch" is defined as a "group," not a "pair" or a "trio."

    I listened to the audio and counted two; you can do the same. Unseen guy says, "Yeah!" and then another says more loudly the same. Anyone with ears can hear that this just isn't so, and anybody with eyes can see that nobody knows who those two men were because cameras weren't on them.

    And the real point is that all of this is an attempt to smear tea-partiers by claiming that a "crowd" shouted "Let him die!"

    Dishonest.
    Was it any less disingenuous to suggest that a universal health care system would have "death panels"?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So - you opt for The Daily Double.....both the parsing of words and being intellectually dishonest.
    Still having the comprehension issues I see...
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    Generalizations are stupid.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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