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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    More than likely in such a scenario one or more of the following would occur:

    1. Someone in your family would be granted power of attorney and would either make your insurance payments themselves, or pay them out of your estate.

    2. If your employer offers long term disability insurance, your health insurance premiums would be paid out of it.

    3. In the event that your insurance was dropped due to your losing your employment, or non-payment, the hospital would apply for temporary Medicaid coverage for you so that the hospital continues to get paid for your care. Assuming you did not have a large amount of assets, you would get temporary Medicaid coverage since you would have no income, and your care would paid for that way.

    4. If you had a lot of assets, the hospital would petition whoever was given power of attorney over your estate to pay for your care out of those assets.

    Many people who need long term expensive care, especially cancer patients, end up on temporary Medicaid coverage because they lose their insurance due to the inability to work while sick. God knows what our cancer death rate would be in America if we did not have Medicaid. A lot of people believe they would never end up on Medicaid, but if you get a type of cancer with a poor prognosis before you reach Medicare eligibility age, more than likely unless you are independently wealthy, you will end up on Medicaid.
    good point.

    and an excellent illustration of why the "free market" is inadequate in addressing essential services with inelastic demand. these services were enacted in the first place because the free market did not provide a solution for the poor and elderly who were dying in their homes without professional medical treatment.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    I'm all for helping a struggling person, but being forced to do something is not charity. Whatever happened to being responsible for yourself...oh ya, the 60's happened, nevermind.
    If you don't want to provide medical service to everyone who seeks it you shouldn't become a doctor. If health care were a public service, you wouldn't be forced to do anything, you would just be expected to do your job.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    If you don't want to provide medical service to everyone who seeks it you shouldn't become a doctor. If health care were a public service, you wouldn't be forced to do anything, you would just be expected to do your job.



    Do doctors still have to swear to the Hippocratic Oath? Ron Paul should know better.
    As I've said, people aren't expected to just die. They're just expected to pay for services provided...atrocious, I know.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    I was shocked to hear the cheer(s). It doesn't matter if the whole audience cheered or if it was just one person, that was atrocious to hear. Are some people in the tea party really that psychotic? I know there are crazies in every party, but come on. Even though this hypothetical person wouldn't really be left to die, seeing people cheering for the death is absurd. But then again, I don't expect compassion or logic from the tea party.
    The GOP National Committee should change their emblem from an elephant to a condom. A condom stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects pricks, and gives one a sense of security and safety while screwing others.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I have yet to hear anything from a Tea Partier that contradicts my conclusion that the main requirement for being a Tea Partier is simply to be a selfish prick. All of their policies are selfish. All of their rhetoric is selfish. These people want everything to be about them. I have no respect for people with the social graces of a five year old.
    You made serious accusations. Don't you feel any responsibility to back them up with evidence?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Snevert View Post
    I know there are crazies in every party, but come on.
    Democrats have committed murder. Do you really think that this was worse than murder?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is.

    Interesting you would chose a clip that cuts Paul off just as he's explaining. I'll bet he shames you, doesn't he? I'll bet his next words make you a lying hack, right?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Interesting you would chose a clip that cuts Paul off just as he's explaining. I'll bet he shames you, doesn't he? I'll bet his next words make you a lying hack, right?
    I'll bet you don't know who or what this thread is all about.


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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Democrats have committed murder. Do you really think that this was worse than murder?
    And Republicans haven't?
    The GOP National Committee should change their emblem from an elephant to a condom. A condom stands up to inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects pricks, and gives one a sense of security and safety while screwing others.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You made serious accusations. Don't you feel any responsibility to back them up with evidence?
    Its a valid and logical opinion. Its not the WHOLE truth. But I do find a lot of the attitude of tea party members disconected, childish and self serving.
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