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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Thanks for making my point: The right has multiple slogans so they can discard some whenever they become inconvenient
    What is your excuse for the left using this same hierarchy?

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    That's how the right dishonestly wails about "personal responsibility" and then switches to "charity and neighbors" without noticing their hypocrisy
    The hypocrisy is yours. The individual either takes care of his responsibility to cover his risk or he takes responsibility for convincing someone else to help. Your solution is just to try to force him into "responsible" behavior and failing that, force others to help. In your scheme there is no personal responsibility, charity or freedom. It is all just force. It does not work, never has and never will.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    I think the main point between that exchange with Blitz and Paul would be our current system of health care costing so much and not having a free market health care system.
    The left wants to treat the symptom they created which is the real crisis, i.e., costs.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Giants are tall. Dwarves are short.

    So what?
    That's the issue. Force versus freedom. Are you at all familiar with libertarian thought? If not then why bother pretending that you have the capacity to discuss it? Force leads to an increase, not a decrease, in irresponsible behavior.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is.

    Listen to your video again. Exactly two men say, "yeah!" Two. Not a crowd. And there's no camera on the audience, so how do you know that those two men were "tea partiers"?

    Answer: You don't. You're just seizing an opportunity to broadstroke a political group with which you disagree.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Listen to your video again. Exactly two men say, "yeah!" Two. Not a crowd. And there's no camera on the audience, so how do you know that those two men were "tea partiers"?

    Answer: You don't. You're just seizing an opportunity to broadstroke a political group with which you disagree.
    How many is the line for you?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Without the government imposition of force costs will decline or, at the very least, stop increasing so rapidly.

    The other benefit of a voluntary system is that charities have to prove that their programs are effective and efficient to attract donors. The state does not. You don't like the way they are spending your money, tough! You can pay your taxes or go to jail (which further increases costs by increasing the costs of collections). If you try to change things through the political process then they will yell and holler that you don't really care about helping anyone but yourself. Further, once a program is initiated a special interest is created that is financed by the rent seekers and provided with foot soldiers from the freeloaders, so political change is almost impossible. But, it seems the people are getting fed up with the failed policies that only create more problems.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How many is the line for you?
    Nice diversionary try. Won't work.

    How about sticking to my point? Thread's subject line says that a tea party crowd shouted "Let him die!" How many is a crowd to you?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Nice diversionary try. Won't work.

    How about sticking to my point? Thread's subject line says that a tea party crowd shouted "Let him die!" How many is a crowd to you?
    I have no idea. What I do know is that I heard people expressing that sentiment in that crowd which was advertised as a tea party debate.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No

    Most people in that situation HAD insurance, but when they got sick the insurance corp cancelled their policy, or they lost their insurance when they lost their job due to being unable to work.
    Im talking about the hypothetical though. He has a good job and making a good living but decided he didn't want insurance.



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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post

    Wouldn't forcing someone to buy health insurance be unconstitutional?
    That's for the supreme court to decide. They decided it's okay to force me to buy car insurance. And boy am I happy they forced others to buy it too. My car got hit through no fault of mine and the insurance paid for everything.

    If I don't buy it, will the IRS go after me?
    Why don't you spend sometimes googling the law if you really want to know?

    Wouldn't this get the govt more into debt and hasten bankruptcy?
    No.


    Where will the money come from when we continuously spend like crazy and inflation?
    Red herring. It has nothing to do with insurance mandate.

    What if govt healthcare is unsustainable, quality of medical care lowers or possibly non-existent?
    Speculation on your part. Other countries have sustained "government healthcare" with wider coverage, on less money per capital, and rank higher than the US.


    :3 Should we look into govt car insurance?
    I have. My car insurance was state-owned.
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