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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Like the wingnuts that support him, Paul doesn't have a clue. They rant about "personal responsibility" to claim that people should pay for their own care, and then hyporcritically turn around and say that charities and neighbors will pay when someone can't afford care. The wingnuts' stupidity doesn't allow them to understand how they're contradicting themselves
    I think you're being overly hard on Paul. He comes up with this bold ideas that sound good in the "broad strokes" form (e.g. decriminalizing recreational drugs to sap the black market drug economy) I absolutely support his stance in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    However, with most of his domestic policy ideas, they tend to fall apart when you start to work out direct and indirect consequences. (e.g. Would you have to be 18 or 21 to purchase highly addictive opiates? And who would foot the bill for the increase work related accidents, and abandon children?)

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    What? Wolf asked the question and Paul said. No. Then there WAS a pause due to the crowd noise. Then Paul went on to explain how it was done back before Medicaid.

    Here is a clip that contains the full context and answer.

    Ron Paul Asked If Society Should Let Uninsured Die - YouTube

    You guys are LYING.
    It's not as clear as you're saying or as unclear as some are saying. He's trying to both say it is personal responsibility, but then suggests churches will pick it up, all with out asking churches I might point out.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post

    Charities are voluntary, govt mandates are not.
    Which is exactly why we need the government to enforce healthcare. The fate of a person's life shouldn't have to depend on a voluntary system where people die if the charity isn't there. People deserve better reliability that everything possible is being done to protect their lives other than hoping someone is feeling charitable.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post

    The real problem are the spiraling costs which are due to government meddling in the market.
    Oh? And what "government meddling" would that be?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Charities are voluntary, govt mandates are not.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You can stomp your feet, gnash your teeth and throw stuff at the computer all you want. It won't change what he did or didn't say. And clearly he was equivocating. And especially since he hasn't come out and clarified. Not to worry, he'll get asked again.
    he did, I provided the link with him on the cnn politics program in the last page. (probably didn't see it). Sadly, he will get asked again and probably be skipped on something like the Federal Reserve which he is the chair of the subcommittee on monetary policy overseeing the fed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    That's why there should be a health insurance mandate which is what Blitzer was getting at. If you and Paul don't want to let the man die, the hospital must get money for the care in some way. Currently it gets it from the tax-payers and raising the cost of healthcare (going after the family for the bill didn't seem to be the case in Paul's campaign manager's case). If the man was forced to buy health insurance from the start, the question would be null since he has insurance.
    Wouldn't forcing someone to buy health insurance be unconstitutional? If I don't buy it, will the IRS go after me? Wouldn't this get the govt more into debt and hasten bankruptcy? Where will the money come from when we continuously spend like crazy and inflation? What if govt healthcare is unsustainable, quality of medical care lowers or possibly non-existent?

    :3 Should we look into govt car insurance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Excellent post. You nailed it.
    I think the main point between that exchange with Blitz and Paul would be our current system of health care costing so much and not having a free market health care system.

    Paul: The cost is so high because they dump it on the government, it becomes a bureaucracy. It becomes special interests. It kowtows to the insurance companies and the drug companies, and then on top of that, you have the inflation. The inflation devalues the dollar, we have lack of competition.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Which is exactly why we need the government to enforce healthcare. The fate of a person's life shouldn't have to depend on a voluntary system where people die if the charity isn't there. People deserve better reliability that everything possible is being done to protect their lives other than hoping someone is feeling charitable.
    Didn't he decide his fate when he decided not to buy insurance voluntarily?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Oh? And what "government meddling" would that be?
    Pretty much all of them drive up costs. Some of them may be justified but many are only designed to benefit special interest groups. Coverage mandates, barriers to interstate trade in insurance, allowing the AMA to to artificially reduce the number of doctors, numerous laws that restrict who may perform what procedure designed to increase the demand for doctors in competition with nurses and other health care providers, Medicare, Medicaid, unequal tax treatment, problems in the tort system and in general driving a wedge between the consumer and the provider.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    The first answer is personal responsibility.
    Thanks for making my point: The right has multiple slogans so they can discard some whenever they become inconvenient

    That's how the right dishonestly wails about "personal responsibility" and then switches to "charity and neighbors" without noticing their hypocrisy
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    Didn't he decide his fate when he decided not to buy insurance voluntarily?
    No

    Most people in that situation HAD insurance, but when they got sick the insurance corp cancelled their policy, or they lost their insurance when they lost their job due to being unable to work.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Which is exactly why we need the government to enforce healthcare. The fate of a person's life shouldn't have to depend on a voluntary system where people die if the charity isn't there. People deserve better reliability that everything possible is being done to protect their lives other than hoping someone is feeling charitable.
    The government force hurts patients. It increases costs and attracts rent seeking.

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