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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post

    It does not infer anything of the kind. It infers that he should do whatever he wants to do, i.e., seek care or not.
    Then explain what the "risk" is when he said, "that's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks." What is the "risk" for someone in a coma who can't afford to be kept alive and doesn't have health insurance to cover the cost?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    "nanny state" - what is that?
    It's the latest rightwing buzz word, like "socialist", "kool-aid drinkers", "Liberal media", "activist judges", "political correctness"

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    The neighbors, friends and family of Paul's ex-campaign manager still own the hospital for the care he received before he died. Or the fact that many people have to declare bankruptcies due to medical bills, which leaves the hospitals holding the cans. Does Paul have an answer for that? Is that how personal responsibility works in Paul's views?
    Like the wingnuts that support him, Paul doesn't have a clue. They rant about "personal responsibility" to claim that people should pay for their own care, and then hyporcritically turn around and say that charities and neighbors will pay when someone can't afford care. The wingnuts' stupidity doesn't allow them to understand how they're contradicting themselves
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    This silly outrage of the Tea Party. I want to see a single staunch, dyed in the wool, card-carrying liberal propose a single program or solution that does not require the government. I'll bet not a single one will step up and do it. They'll change the subject.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Like the wingnuts that support him, Paul doesn't have a clue. They rant about "personal responsibility" to claim that people should pay for their own care, and then hyporcritically turn around and say that charities and neighbors will pay when someone can't afford care. The wingnuts' stupidity doesn't allow them to understand how they're contradicting themselves
    Charities are voluntary, govt mandates are not.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This silly outrage of the Tea Party. I want to see a single staunch, dyed in the wool, card-carrying liberal propose a single program or solution that does not require the government. I'll bet not a single one will step up and do it. They'll change the subject.
    Gee, a political group that constantly calls for political solutions!! Heavens to Betsy!!
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Charities are voluntary, govt mandates are not.
    Charities are not "personal responsibility", which is what the wingnuts think is the way to handle health care

    All you (and the other wingnuts like Ron Paul) have shown is that even you don't believe in your nonsense slogans
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Then explain what the "risk" is when he said, "that's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks." What is the "risk" for someone in a coma who can't afford to be kept alive and doesn't have health insurance to cover the cost?
    The same risks they face today. Massive debt, the need to depend on the charity of others, substandard care, etc.

    The chance of full recovery after 4 months in a coma is very slim. As health care costs continue to increase (and they will with more and more government involvement) and the reality of opportunity costs, the government or insurers will be forced to base care on the chance of recovery. Some bureaurat that does not know the patient and has never set eyes on him will choose between whether this patient gets care or if it is given to someone with a better prognosis.

    Besides all this, Blitzer's question was nothing but dishonest. The number of employed without insurance is pretty low. One can come up with unlikely scenarios all day that make any REALISTIC answer sound bad. We need to focus on reality and not some stupid questions designed to force the person into taking an unfavorable position.

    The real problem are the spiraling costs which are due to government meddling in the market.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This silly outrage of the Tea Party. I want to see a single staunch, dyed in the wool, card-carrying liberal propose a single program or solution that does not require the government. I'll bet not a single one will step up and do it. They'll change the subject.
    Liberals support many issues that don't involve government. Gay marriage. The right to choose. etc

    Often times the only reason government is involved is because of the religious right's lobbying.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Charities are not "personal responsibility", which is what the wingnuts think is the way to handle health care

    All you (and the other wingnuts like Ron Paul) have shown is that even you don't believe in your nonsense slogans
    The first answer is personal responsibility. In fact, that is what ObamaCare is trying to promote through the use of government force. The fallback is the charity of others. Again, the left wants us all to be forced to be charitable. The only difference here is in the use of force. The left demands it and Ron Paul is opposed to it.

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