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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    I ask a simple question. where and when did he say "No" directly to the question?
    BLITZER: But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

    PAUL: No.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

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    Paul "No I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid"

    There was no pause or qualification. The two are NOT the same.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Paul "No I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid"

    There was no pause or qualification. The two are NOT the same.
    Not according to the transcript. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../12/se.06.html

    PAUL: No. I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid, in the early 1960s, when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospitals.
    I recheck, he did pause.

    He also directly answer "No" on cnn politics program @ 6:35 which reaffirms top to clarify for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7iGA...ayer_embedded#!
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Paul "No I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid"

    There was no pause or qualification. The two are NOT the same.
    What? Wolf asked the question and Paul said. No. Then there WAS a pause due to the crowd noise. Then Paul went on to explain how it was done back before Medicaid.

    Here is a clip that contains the full context and answer.

    Ron Paul Asked If Society Should Let Uninsured Die - YouTube

    You guys are LYING.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    What? Wolf asked the question and Paul said. No. Then there WAS a pause due to the crowd noise. Then Paul went on to explain how it was done back before Medicaid.

    Here is a clip that contains the full context and answer.

    Ron Paul Asked If Society Should Let Uninsured Die - YouTube

    You guys are LYING.
    No. Paul's equivocation is clear as a bell. He never directly answered the question.
    Last edited by Top Cat; 09-16-11 at 01:39 AM.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its funny to hear all the evolution based folks cling to a religous argument. Wouldnt man as a species benefit more by letting all the crippled and dependen pets just die and stop polluting the gene pool already?
    Careful. You're setting yourself up with a comment like this.

    Id be willing to bet that most of the people citing this religous argument in their defense of government health care are part of that dependent class and dont contribute to PAYING for those services. Whether they be college students still existing on someone elses dime or people existing on the dole. Not all mind you...but most.
    Liberals are more likely to consist of the best educated and the worst educated segments of society, and of that there is a pretty strong relation to income. Those that are in the middle tend to be more conservative.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    No. Paul's equivocation is clear as a bell. He never directly answered the question.
    You are a liar. He clearly answered, "no."

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post

    You are a liar. He clearly answered, "no."
    At that point, he does say, "no," but he answered the question more than once. His first response to the hypothetical of a person in a coma without health insurance was:

    "What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for it?"

    Which most certainly infers that society is not responsible for such an individual and that death could be a consequence for making the choice of not carrying health insurance. He then reiterated that sentiment when he said:

    "That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks."

    At that point, after twice inferring that death could be the risk by not maintaining sufficient coverage, Blitzer asks him directly to confirm if he's saying society should just let him die.

    The very first word out of Paul's mouth is "no," however, as he continues, he conveys his own personal experience where churches helped people like that out and how the medical facility he was employed at "never turned anybody away." Now aside from him talking about a very different time 50 years ago when healthcare costs were nothing like they are today, hospitals still provide emergency care services for indigent people at the expense of the tax payer and churches still take collections for their needy. But not everybody belongs to a church. Not everybody can be cured by emergency care. So what, we let everybody who is not the beneficiery of such charity die?



    What I take from that exchange between Blitzer and Paul is Paul feels personal responsibility trumps society's responsibility and if someone makes a choice which turns out to be a mistake, so be it, that individual will have to suffer the consequences, even if those consequences include death. But that death is an unlikely fate due to the charity of others, such as charity from a doctor or a medical facility or a church, etc...

    I don't think someone's fate of escaping death due to poor choices (or even worse, because they're too poor to make the right choices) should be left to the chance that someone may feel charitable enough to step in and save that person's life. Life or death situations should not be left up to the chance that hopefully, someone is feeling charitable enough at that moment to help out. When it comes to life or death medical needs, I feel there needs to be a balance between indiviual responsibility with a compassionate society's responsibilty to look out for the general welfare of the nation's people. When it comes to healthcare, by far, most civilized societies feel that way since most offer some form of national healthcare for their citizens.



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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    At that point, he does say, "no," but he answered the question more than once.
    He did not.

    His first response to the hypothetical of a person in a coma without health insurance was:
    That's a different question.

    "What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for it?"

    Which most certainly infers that society is not responsible for such an individual and that death could be a consequence for making the choice of not carrying health insurance. He then reiterated that sentiment when he said:
    It does not infer anything of the kind. It infers that he should do whatever he wants to do, i.e., seek care or not.

    Society is certainly not responsible.

    "That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks."

    [COLOR="#0000FF"]At that point, after twice inferring that death could be the risk by not maintaining sufficient coverage,
    Again, he did not infer anything of the kind. You are reading into it.

    Not having health insurance is not a fatal disease.

    Blitzer asks him directly to confirm if he's saying society should just let him die. The very first word out of Paul's mouth is "no," however,
    However, my arse. HE CLEARLY AND DIRECTLY ANSWERED NO.

    as he continues, he conveys his own personal experience where churches helped people like that out and how the medical facility he was employed at "never turned anybody away." Now aside from him talking about a very different time 50 years ago when healthcare costs were nothing like they are today, hospitals still provide emergency care services for indigent people at the expense of the tax payer and churches still take collections for their needy. But not everybody belongs to a church. Not everybody can be cured by emergency care. So what, we let everybody who is not the beneficiery of such charity die?
    Health care costs were nothing like today because the government had yet to screw up our health care system.

    He said they never turned anyone away. He did not say they never turned any members of the church away.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    "What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for it?"

    Which most certainly infers that society is not responsible for such an individual and that death could be a consequence for making the choice of not carrying health insurance. He then reiterated that sentiment when he said:

    "That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks."

    At that point, after twice inferring that death could be the risk by not maintaining sufficient coverage, Blitzer asks him directly to confirm if he's saying society should just let him die.
    You use the word "infer" quite a bit in this post. Though you do not seem to understand it's meaning I would think it is still the correct word. It is the subject of the sentences where you are making your mistake.

    Quote Originally Posted by dictionary
    in-fer: verb, to guess; speculate; surmise.
    Paul is inferring nothing (nor is he implying, but that is a different matter), instead YOU are.

    An explicit statement about whether Paul thinks we should let people die can be found in this direct quote in answer to the question:

    "No."
    Last edited by cAPSLOCK; 09-16-11 at 04:47 AM. Reason: get rid of color tags and improve dictionary quote ;)

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