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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What exactly do you want? You ask for a rational rebuttal to many different arguments all wrapped into one. Pick what you want.
    Do you read for comprehension at all? Let me repeat myself again: reply to whatever you want, preferably with rational arguements, but not even that if you want. It's your choice what you do.


    If you want to think because I don't want to be forced to pay for others that means I wish death on those people be my guest.
    Strawman again. No one said you wish death on anyone. Or maybe you just don't read for comprehension like I said.



    Prevention in your life and prevention in the government are not at all reliable. If you were smart you wouldn't treat them the same.

    Do you understand that in your first sentence you equate both "Prevention in your life" and "prevention in the government" to "not at all reliable". Let me ask the silly question: if they are both "not at all reliable", why wouldn't I treat them the same?

    I can sort of understand if you gloss over my posts and don't comprehend what I write, but do you also gloss over your own posts too?

    I was unaware we were a democracy. Why do liberals not understand what a Representative republic is?
    So you are claiming the US does not have democracy?



    I was saying I pay for you rwants already, and my wants are my wants that live outside of government. Having ones wants in government is a just a way to control others. I have no desire for it.
    So back to square one. After contradicting what everyone can see was your thinking so far (you want the government to provide only what you think ought to be provided by the government and begrudge the taxes you think are paid for what others want) you now go back and confirm it. Don't you get tired of contradicting and repeating yourself?


    So you think your morality of forcing people to do what you wish is actually moral? Interesting.
    You are just filled with fallacies. Let's examine your strawman - what if I go to the opposite extreme of "forcing people to do what I wish" - i.e. absolute freedom? Is it moral that we force people to have a driver license before they can drive? Is it moral that we punish people who want to shout fire in a public confined space? Is it moral that we put criminals in jail and curtail their freedom as a result?



    So you think we actually really have a responsibility to society? That it actually exists in the real world and not in just in the minds of those people that believe it?
    Yes, I do as my post made clear. And you are just repeating it without any counter arguement whatsoever.

    Your morals are not based on reality. They are only based on how you want the world to be. They are baseless.
    As I have said, and I'll repeat again: That is because you think that it's okay to let someone die who can't pay for the healthcare. And you don't seem to comprehend that you are as subjective as I am, whereas I'm very attuned to that fact and made clear from the beginning that it's my views, subjective to me. You keep repeating that it's my view, but you don't seem to understand what that means. My morality is base on my reality and value as yours are. I think the problem with your position is both to do with reality and values - as I've said in my original post. You believe that it's not your problem when someone fails to buy insurance, it's their problem. That ignores the reality of how the system currently works. The fact that it affects you the tax payer and potential healthcare user in many ways: when they seek charity care, that is paid with tax money. If they don't seek charity care, and own the bill to the hospital, as Ron Paul campaign manager did (his family still have not paid the bill) the hospital covers that loss by charging more for the services. We know what your values are regarding society. What my value are regarding society I've stated in my original post. So you are immoral to me, and I think to DA and Paul too who could not bring themselves to say that it's okay to let someone die who can't pay for their healthcare. My reality is not baseless, they are backed up with factual examples and solid reasonings which you have not been able to refute in anyway.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Libertarians enjoy being free more than anyone.
    Great, but it has absolutely noting to do with my question you didn't answer. Your job is proof that the government can create jobs, despite the libertarian claim they cannot. BTW, are you dissatisfied with your government provided health care?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the irony seems to be totally and completely lost upon you.
    And coherent statements completely lost from you.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    ....Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.

    ....You don't want to see me angry. You wouldn't like me very much when I'm angry.
    You won't have that problem with me. I don't like you now
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Again. Army reserves, so I don't get Miltary Health care. Nice try though.
    So let me see if I get this right? You're out of the military, I'm guessing you're high school educated, and you're only making 24k?

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Which means "yes" he should be left to die because it isn't society's responsibility to take care of him.
    Well... uhh.... it isn't.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    The services would be paid for under a public system too.

    Besides, the gist of Paul's answer was "yes".
    That's untrue.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    We all knew what Paul was really saying, the TP said it directly for him.... Paul just said it nicer and indirectly, and his statement did get a huge applause. He said the guy took his risk, that's what freedom is, and intervening to save him would be the opposite of freedom
    He did not. He said, "our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it." Intervening is not the opposite of freedom. Force is the opposite of freedom. Intervening with force to make others pay for the irresponsible behavior another is what he opposes.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    That's untrue.
    Oh puuuuuuuuuuuuuhlease. It most certainly was. The equivocation was clear. He simply couldn't bring himself to denounce the idea. Alas, that's a tacit approval. Of course his sheeple will certainly rush in to defend that.

    I ask a simple question. where and when did he say "No" directly to the question?
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Oh puuuuuuuuuuuuuhlease. It most certainly was.
    I know, it most certainly is untrue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    The equivocation was clear. He simply couldn't bring himself to denounce the idea. Alas, that's a tacit approval. Of course his sheeple will certainly rush in to defend that.

    I ask a simple question. where and when did he say "No" directly to the question?
    ???

    Right after it was asked.

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