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    I wonder who danarhea is suggesting will go to Hell for not doing enough to lift the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I wonder who danarhea is suggesting will go to Hell for not doing enough to lift the poor.
    Wait. Are you suggesting that Christ would have told his FOLLOWERS to help to provide for their fellow man and not the Roman government? The next thing you know you will be presenting the idea that he taught that people should be personally responsible too!

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    Its funny to hear all the evolution based folks cling to a religous argument. Wouldnt man as a species benefit more by letting all the crippled and dependen pets just die and stop polluting the gene pool already?

    Id be willing to bet that most of the people citing this religous argument in their defense of government health care are part of that dependent class and dont contribute to PAYING for those services. Whether they be college students still existing on someone elses dime or people existing on the dole. Not all mind you...but most.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post

    This is a bogus topic. Ron Paul who I do not back never said let him die. this is just another attempt by radical Liberals to make it sound as if Tea Party members are as radical as the Liberals.

    More BS from the left who cannot deal with the truth and the facts.

    I am surprised any of them can stand after so much spin. It must be dizzying.
    You may be right though most of the outrage I believe was directed at the few audience members who shouted, "yeah," to the question, "are you saying society should just let him die?"

    However, what do you think Paul meant when he said this about Blitzer's hypothetical coma patient, "what he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for it?" What does that mean other than "let him die" if he chooses to not purchase health insurance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    However, what do you think Paul meant when he said this about Blitzer's hypothetical coma patient, "what he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for it?" What does that mean other than "let him die" if he chooses to not purchase health insurance?
    Because the patient does not have insurance, the patient chooses whether to send his family into debt or die naturally. This decision goes hand in hand with a decision not to buy insurance. If the patient can't decide, then it's a lesson to us all to write out some advance directives.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post

    Because the patient does not have insurance, the patient chooses whether to send his family into debt or die naturally. This decision goes hand in hand with a decision not to buy insurance. If the patient can't decide, then it's a lesson to us all to write out some advance directives.
    I understand Paul was putting responsibility on the individual for making his own decision on electing not to purchase health insurance, but doesn't that translate Paul's answer that I quoted above into "let him die?" Afterall, you just said yourself, his options are "to send his family into debt or die naturally," and not everyone has family who can assume $1,000,000 or more in debt; leaving the coma patient with the other option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I understand Paul was putting responsibility on the individual for making his own decision on electing not to purchase health insurance, but doesn't that translate Paul's answer that I quoted above into "let him die?" Afterall, you just said yourself, his options are "to send his family into debt or die naturally," and not everyone has family who can assume $1,000,000 or more in debt; leaving the coma patient with the other option.
    That's right. If you've ever thought through a decision to buy health insurance or not, those are the possibilities you entertain.

    Some people choose to "take their chances" that they may be faced with debt or death. We should respect those decisions--by holding them to it.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post

    That's right. If you've ever thought through a decision to buy health insurance or not, those are the possibilities you entertain.

    Some people choose to "take their chances" that they may be faced with debt or death. We should respect those decisions--by holding them to it.
    Ok, well then it sounds like you agree with me in the post I made to Councilman where he defended Ron Paul by denying Ron Paul actually said that. While I don't think Paul was as crass as some of the audience members who cheered at the prospect of letting someone die, he did indeed infer it in his comments.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    My post is there, if you choose to reply to it, that's your choice. All I'm saying is that the reply should at least be rational arguements instead of repeating what I already said as if that's an arguement against what I said. If you don't wish to make a rational arguement, that's up to you too.
    What exactly do you want? You ask for a rational rebuttal to many different arguments all wrapped into one. Pick what you want.

    Yes, you have repeated that sentiment many times. It seems to me you believe they should die if they can't pay. So my original post was not addressed to you, you were the one who chose to reply to that portion. I don't see why you feel the need to reply to a post not addressed to you just to repeat yourself again and again.
    If you want to think because I don't want to be forced to pay for others that means I wish death on those people be my guest.


    So you are against prevention? Unlike you, most people can see that possibilities can be negative or positive, smart people try to prevent negative possibilities if they can. When my friend's drunk, I prevent the possibilities of them dying or injuring others by not drinking and driving them home. If that doesn't make sense to you, well I think you are not very smart.
    Prevention in your life and prevention in the government are not at all reliable. If you were smart you wouldn't treat them the same.



    I try to make my government reflects my beliefs - guess what? That's what democracies are about.
    I was unaware we were a democracy. Why do liberals not understand what a Representative republic is?


    You are now saying you want the government to provide all kind of goods and services for you? It seems to go against the principle you profess to follow but whatever. Why don't you list the things you want the governments to provide for you?
    I was saying I pay for you rwants already, and my wants are my wants that live outside of government. Having ones wants in government is a just a way to control others. I have no desire for it.


    Emotional appeal and ad hominem are not rational arguements. Using adjectives like "ridiculous" "completely baseless nonsense" doesn't make it true, you have to actually explain why they are "ridiculous" or "completely baseless nonsense" in a logical way. And whether I'm "dreamy" or "sick" has nothing to do with the arguement at hands, resorting to personal attacks just say you have no logical arguements to make or that you are too lazy to make one.
    So you think your morality of forcing people to do what you wish is actually moral? Interesting.
    So you think we actually really have a responsibility to society? That it actually exists in the real world and not in just in the minds of those people that believe it?

    Your morals are not based on reality. They are only based on how you want the world to be. They are baseless.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    "If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth."

    -Jesus Christ
    So charity then? Have fun trying to find a Jesus quote that actually supports forced charity.

    "They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely."

    -Jesus Christ
    Who is doing that?

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