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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Churches, charities and friends? And he claimed this was his friend and so he helped raise money on the internet. Other people's money. Did you donate Ron?
    Kinda obvious he did.



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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Wow. just wow. Do ANY of you right wingers actually work in the real world? Most folks bear a majority of the health care insurance bill now. Try to keep up. Or better yet, get a job!
    Not my argument.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's just a matter of which God you look at. Mine is much closer to the God of the OLD Testament, not the wussie one from the New Testament.



    Some of us would have no problem with that. If you can't find a job that provides insurance at age 30, maybe you should just "go away".
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    "What you do unto the least of these, you have done unto me".

    -Jesus Christ
    You realize he isn't doing anything, yes? Oh right, he is against being entitled so he is doing harm. Sorry, forgot.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'm not even sure Ron Paul would seek to impose a "Paulian" society if he actually got to the White House.
    One thing I'll give the man credit for: Were he to actually become president, he'd drive lobbyists absolutely nuts!
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    Kinda obvious he did.
    Really? How so? go back and listen VERY carefully. au contraire.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's not a matter of disagreeing or agreeing.
    It is a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. You believe the government should just function as a military with property rights and fundamental laws. I disagree. The government should also be a public arena that provides basic services that don't belong in the private sector.

    Making a government that handles your needs is not a good way to form a working economy. It's not a good way to form a responsible society.
    Tell that to Norway.

    But another reason you keep it just to protections of rights and liberties is because what you desire has no real way to be defined and any service, be it a cell phone, healthcare, or housing can become a need if people become dependent on it.
    Did you really just compare health care to owning a cell phone? Having a tumor removed is not a consumer item or cosmetic service. It's not a matter of "desiring" to have the tumor removed, I can have it removed or I can die a slow and painful death. What other product can this be said about? I can find food anywhere if I look hard enough, water too. I can't plant a health service tree or convert seawater into treatment. You're so worried about being dependent on a government product, but have no problem being dependent on a private product.
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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Really? How so? go back and listen VERY carefully. au contraire.
    So you want the reporter to go back and ask if he donated personally? I would find it to be in bad taste asking such a question about someone whom he cared for a lot. He is a close friend, worked with him over 12 years and started a donation to help pay for his medical bills. It would be odd if he didn't help him in any way privately or donated to his own donation. I'm sure there would be a record of it if investigated but I rather not look like a ass afterward. Nor do i need to know how much gave privately since it's none of my business.



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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I would suspect the more liberal members here would say you are responsible by proxy and by law. You're tax money goes to support those who are less fortunate by fiat. You may not be PERSONALLY responsible for anyone but yourself by choice, but by proxy you do support all the welfare, all the entitlements all the bad ideas and policies and bad laws that this country has implemented since it began and will continue to do so until you either denounce and leave or die.

    No, DA can choose to think in a selfish way (I don't have any responsibilty to my fellow citizens, just myself), America is a free country after all, but someone with what I view as a better moral standard would feel a responsibility to the society he lives in. Responsibility to society means trying to make that society better for the people in it (which includes himself) and for the future. What I see as a better society is one that doesn't let people die due to lack of medical cares when the society can afford to provide that care. A better society is one that would provide basic human necessities (like food, water, and temporary shelter) to the needy if that society could provide it. That is why in my view, the US is a better society than Somalia and many other developing countries. You can argue that US society could not afford to provide these necessities to the needy - but why it is that it can afford the billions for war?

    Maybe he feels that a better society is where everyone is free to do whatever they want with limited (limited to what?) or no government interference. And that standing by while people may be hurt or die from the consequences of a stupid decision is what makes a better society. To that I and many Americans would disagree. Somalia is free from many government regulations you and I currently have to deal with in a developed western country, but I'm glad of those regulations because they make the country much easier for me and others to live in, because while they restrict they also protect us.

    DA and Paul knows that it's immoral to let someone die just because he can't afford the medical cares he needs. So they prevaricate with answer like "charity". But in practice, charity is not enough to pay for the more than 40millions currently without health insurance who might fall ill at anytime. And what is the reality of "charity care" in today's system? It's government aid: Charity care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    DA and Henrin and Paul wants to talk about a Utopia where people either take responsibility for their actions or face the consequences and it has no repercussion on everyone else - but that ignores moral responsibilities and the connectedness of society. When someone choose to abuse drugs, it doesn't just affect him. Some drugs make the users more aggressive - that affects other people than the user. Drunk drivers are more likely to get into accidents - that affects other people than the drinker. Drug abusers are more likely to steal - that affects other people than the abuser. We can either try prevention, or we can let the people who got hurt deal with the consequences and say "It's not me, so I should be free to do what I want". When someone chooses to not buy health insurance or save enough for it when they can - it doesn't just affect them. It affects their family who will be left with the bill if they die from it. If they survive the impact on their wealth will still affect their spouse and children. We as a society can isolate ourselves from it (I don't have any responsibilty to my fellow citizens, just myself) by letting him die if he can't pay the bills upfront- but we still bear the immorality of letting someone die when it could be avoided.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It's just a matter of which God you look at. Mine is much closer to the God of the OLD Testament, not the wussie one from the New Testament.
    The OT is Hebrew scripture, stories past down through tribal oral tradition. The NT contains narratives about the life of Christ and his followers--very limited scope.

    Vastly different cultures and historical context.

    It's annoying when so-called "Christains" quote the Hebrew bible when it suits them, but completely ignore the archaic laws, historical context, and contradictions with the NT.



    Some of us would have no problem with that. If you can't find a job that provides insurance at age 30, maybe you should just "go away".
    Hitler has similar views... eugenics, get rid of the undesirables.
    Last edited by hazlnut; 09-15-11 at 02:40 AM.

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