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Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

I find people that say someone doesn't care about the poor or minorities are only talking about their own policies and the lack of support that person has for them.
I'm for Paul. My mom is black and I told her if any of those clowns deserve to be President than it's him. She than started saying those things. And so I came here to find my answer personally. I know he wants to abolish the FED, but I really don't know what else he has in mind that could help America as a whole.
 
I'm for Paul. My mom is black and I told her if any of those clowns deserve to be President than it's him. She than started saying those things. And so I came here to find my answer personally. I know he wants to abolish the FED, but I really don't know what else he has in mind that could help America as a whole.

so all you care about is his futile intention to abolish The Federal Reserve? that's ALL you care about?

forgive me, but this is a very unsophisticated & ignorant way to judge the viability of a candidate for President of the United States.
 
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so all you care about is his futile intention to abolish The Federal Reserve? that's ALL you care about?

huh.
Actually no. There are some things I agree with like not relying on Big Government as well. I just don't know for certain any other motives he has in mind. Most of the big things that are important the most matters, so that's why he'll get my vote. Those other losers aren't crap, they'll just do as bad as Obama and Bush.
 
You don't have the right to take a risk if I have the pay the bill for it.

Yes I do, currently, and that's the problem. Choice isn't the problem. It's the disregard for one's choice that is the problem.

Either consequence to me is far more ridiculous and draconian a position than favoring a relatively small monetary penalty.

So even if I write in my advance directive DNR and make sure khrazy nor anyone else bears any burden of my decision to be uninsured and not receive medical care, it's not good enough for you and I need to be controlled?

Figures.

In the real world, the choice to not have health insurance has serious effects on society, not just the individual.

Only because we let it be that way.

The problem with some conservatives is they refuse to admit that their autonomy affects other people. All the while touting personal responsibility...

This makes no sense and is extremely ironic. Liberals love to apply this ridiculous spin, suggesting that a person keeping to himself infringes on others. This couldn't be more backwards.

"Individual independence and self-reliance affect us all. In response, a central authority must control our decisions."

This country has lost its mind.
 
Yes I do, currently, and that's the problem.
I agree. It is a problem I have to pay for your foolish decisions.
So even if I write in my advance directive DNR and make sure khrazy nor anyone else bears any burden of my decision to be uninsured and not receive medical care, it's not good enough for you and I need to be controlled?
If there were a way to ensure that the costs were not thrust onto others I would be open to it, but the situation you just described probably applies in about 0.00001% of cases. But conservatives think it justifies their "freedom" across the board?
Indeed.
Liberals love to apply this ridiculous spin, suggesting that a person keeping to himself infringes on others. This couldn't be more backwards.
The problem is conservatives don't keep to themselves. They get sick and ask doctors (and everyone else) to take care of them. That's hardly spin.
This country has lost its mind.
Agreed.
 
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I am an audio engineer for a living. There is nothing wrong with the sound in the clip that would stop one from honestly evaluating what is there.

There is one "Yeah", one "Yes", and one sort of "Wheep"(?). Only. These 2 (or three) affirmative sounds are underpinned by nervous laughter on the part of the rest of the crowd.

You are just as wrong to pin that on the whole tea party movement as a conservative would be to broadbrush liberal environmentalists because of the actions of certain violent protesters or pot smoking tree sitters.

But I am beginning to think expecting you to understand reasonable logic is a fools errand unfortunately.

What I don't understand is why you and I hear the same two voices saying "Yeah" while others hear basically an entire audience ("the crowd") shouting "Let him die!"

I mean, this isn't just a little difference in what is being heard. Is there a clip other than the one posted in the OP that those who hear "the crowd" shouting "Let him die" are listening to?
 
What I don't understand is why you and I hear the same two voices saying "Yeah" while others hear basically an entire audience ("the crowd") shouting "Let him die!"

I mean, this isn't just a little difference in what is being heard. Is there a clip other than the one posted in the OP that those who hear "the crowd" shouting "Let him die" are listening to?

Who is saying that that the audiences shouted out "let him die"? I heard the moderator ask if the man should be allowed to die and I heard a bunch of folks make a bunch of what sounded like agreement after at least two clearly said YES.

I realize that the OP thread title is misstated.
 
I realize that the OP thread title is misstated.

It's not just the title of the thread that states that, but the title of the video linked in.
 
The problem is conservatives don't keep to themselves. They get sick and ask doctors (and everyone else) to take care of them.

Not just conservatives. As you said, all but 0.000001% do this.

Why don't we just hold people accountable for their decisions?

Because we're a bunch of bleeding heart limpdicks.
 
It's not just the title of the thread that states that, but the title of the video linked in.

And that has already been cleared up. Why keep beating the same dead horse that everyone accepts is dead?

Youtube has the same video with other titles if it makes you feel better.
 
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And that has already been cleared up. Why keep beating the same dead horse that everyone accepts is dead?

Youtube has the same video with other titles if it makes you feel better.

Good. So you understand.

Now hopefully others will stop saying that the crowd said "let him die".
 
Good. So you understand.

Now hopefully others will stop saying that the crowd said "let him die".

Just who here is saying that the audio track has the crowd saying "let him die"?
 
Just who here is saying that the audio track has the crowd saying "let him die"?

Some of those in this very thread.

I wonder how many of them realize this or not.
 
Like who , where?

If you want to find the answer, feel free to search these 600 posts.

They probably have changed their minds and realized the crowd wasn't yelling "let him die".
 
If you want to find the answer, feel free to search these 600 posts.

They probably have changed their minds and realized the crowd wasn't yelling "let him die".

Sorry but I do not see anybody maintaining that,,, and neither do you.
 
Sp far, we had one debate crowd cheering on executions, and another with people cheering on letting people die.

The rightwingers are both pro-life and pro-death
 
This makes no sense and is extremely ironic. Liberals love to apply this ridiculous spin, suggesting that a person keeping to himself infringes on others. This couldn't be more backwards.

Getting treatments in a hospital is not "keeping to himself", it necessitate interactions with others in the community.

"Individual independence and self-reliance affect us all. In response, a central authority must control our decisions."

This country has lost its mind.

It makes complete sense in a none black and white world. Freedom must be balanced by the harm it does to other people. I don't think anyone can disagree with that if they have any sanity. It makes perfect sense to infringe on someone's freedom if they have made the decision to kill someone else. We do not leave people who want to be "self-reliant" and "individually independent" in dealing out justice to others to do as they please. So the question is not whether it's ever okay to infringe on personal freedom, anyone who question that is not living in reality, but what are the costs and benefits of doing so. Granted you can believe that forcing someone to buy health insurance produces more harm than benefits, but others can believe otherwise and be completely in their right mind.
 
Nonsense. You argued that a benefit of Paul's approach (that is, you think Paul's supporters see this as a benefit not that you see it as one) would be to reduce the amount of uncompensated care implying that those people would be left to die. But, without a mandate people will still get care as they do now without a mandate because the doctors and hospitals are too kind to turn these people away. They are not the inhuman monsters that you wish to make them out to be. They want to help other people. Yes, they have their own needs and want to get paid, but they are not heartless.

You are inferring all over the place. Read my posts again and maybe you'll get what I was saying. Some of it were sarcasm to show the contradictions in the position Paul holds.


That is not what you said before. You claimed that no mandate would reduce the uncompensated care because those with out insurance would be left to die.

I did not say that. You are mistaken.


It does not address costs at all. It addresses who bears the cost, i.e., who pays. It does not reduce the cost. It just shifts the burden and once we can no longer afford it there will be rationing.

What is cost? Think on that.
 
What?

If you say you didn't say numerous times now that what that it appears I'm for them dieing go right ahead.

Your new line of arguement is to write sentences that make no sense?

If you want to talk about logic, at least try to understand the difference between "letting someone die" and "wishing death on someone".


How is government being the only legal arbor of force equal to everything else? How is the idea prevention in government usually calls for restricting rights and liberties equal to protections in your life that just call on your action on your own free will? Its not.

You said they are both not "reliable", if they are both not reliable, the logically consistent position is to treat them in the same way when it comes to reliability. And now you're ranting, with no logical arguement. Clearly you don't know what you want to say from one post to the next.

Which it never is.

:lamo You demonstrate your lack of logic and understanding with every post, clearly it's true.


Look up the term and get back to me. I will admit its closer than it ever was intended to be, but its still falls short.

I don't have to look up anything. You are the one who have to prove why you are sane when you say that the US does not have democracy.


General protection, IE police and military are related to the reason government even exists. Without them there would be no purpose to government. Like I said plenty of times this has nothing to do with what I want.

If you actually read for comprehension, you might understand what the arguement is.


If they are moral or not is not the point. They are based on logic.

So why did you ask the question of whether something is "moral" if "morality" is not the point? You don't understand logic, that's the problem.

If you say so.

No. Not my say so. It's what your written words demonstrate.





They are all connected on personal level where they personally know and are dependent on the others for survival. We are not.

Then you are not living in reality. The reality is that almost everyone is dependent on other people they don't "personally know" for survival. Your clean water, whether from the tape or the bottle, were checked and tested by many people you never met. Your car's safety were ensured by people you probably never met. These people all have a "duty of care" towards you even though they have never met you. And the product of your labour is probably being purchased by people you've never met, whose money feed you and your family, and whether you realise it or not, you have a "duty of care" towards these people too.


Comparing animals to human generally fails and comparing them on how they protect each other is just another example.

If that's the case, why did you claim that the "natural responsibility" towards the group does not "exist outside of man made creation" as if it is a valid arguement in this thread? Do you notice how you flip on yourself every time your arguement fails?


The problems in this country exist because of government intervention and the third party system. In other systems they worry about price while giving up care. The mandate doesn't do much of anything other than spread cost to cover up bad policy.

That's your opinion, you are free to have it, it doesn't make it true.


Morals as you understand them never has made any sense. Its the kind of nonsense some hard line conservatives use on gay marriage. It not about logic and all about the feelings of the person that have them.

I doubt you know anything about my understanding of morality. You have failed to grasp the arguements I made from the beginning. Your arguements are void of logic for the most part and they never rose above your subjectivity and totally unrealistic world views.
 
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Sp far, we had one debate crowd cheering on executions, and another with people cheering on letting people die.

New one.

 
Sorry but I do not see anybody maintaining that,,, and neither do you.

You're being disingenuous here. A few pages back you acknowledged that the thread's subject line is problematic.

The vid clip's title is the same in the "OP," pitiable and inflammatory though it is. With a one-liner such as "This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is" and nothing else to go on but "Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die" as the subject line, what do you expect? That there's some unspoken premise that contradicts this and that those who are responding to the stated premise are in the wrong?

No need to go back through hundreds of posts; just look at the first page.
 
First the applauding for executions in Texas and now the willingness to let people just die if they didn't have insurance. Man the blood thirst in the republican party is border line medievel. And they say us liberals are godless.

The Repubs are heartless to the core! Unless the child not born yet? What if they had insurance but they didn't make enough to pay into a good plan? Just remember the republican party! Money before people!
 
You're being disingenuous here. A few pages back you acknowledged that the thread's subject line is problematic.

The vid clip's title is the same in the "OP," pitiable and inflammatory though it is. With a one-liner such as "This is an indication how radical and far right the Tea Party is" and nothing else to go on but "Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die" as the subject line, what do you expect? That there's some unspoken premise that contradicts this and that those who are responding to the stated premise are in the wrong?

No need to go back through hundreds of posts; just look at the first page.

And that has been cleared up long ago. Why continue to beat this dead horse that we all recognize has long a go expired? Yes, the video is badly titled and is false. Youtube has others that are not of the same incident. Yes, the thread title is misleading. We all know that.

But to use that as some sort of cover to pretend that members of the audience did not voice approval of the Blitzer question about letting them an die is simply intellectually dishonest.
 
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