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Tea Party Crowd Yells Let Him Die

You're right, because I don't agree with you, I don't know anything. How very convenient.

I probably shouldn't give you such a hard time, particularly if you are currently serving your country in uniform. Have you been deployed overseas yet?
 
I provide a service and you pay for it.
You're welcome :D

I don't want your services. The government is "stealing from me to pay for services I don't want". Right? Aren't you stealing money right out of my pocket and putting it into yours?

Either way, you work for me and you're dependent on me for your salary. This whole debate has been a question of self responsibility and you've had a public job the entire time. Nice.
 
The Army is open to virtually anyone. That is the real world.

Ummm no. Not everyone can pass a physical or the educational requirements, although the latter has been relaxed. You neglected to mention that you actually weren't paying for your health care. It's included. And yet you claimed you "could afford" it on your 24k salary. Pretty much a bold faced lie.

Completely disingenuous. Speaks volumes about you. You also forgot to mention that you can shop at the PX....
 
Ummm no. Not everyone can pass a physical or the educational requirements, although the latter has been relaxed. You neglected to mention that you actually weren't paying for your health care. It's included. And yet you claimed you "could afford" it on your 24k salary. Pretty much a bold faced lie.

Completely disingenuous. Speaks volumes about you. You also forgot to mention that you can shop at the PX....

I love it when these right wing libertarians pop up and you find out that they are on the government payroll. Its too sweet.
 
I love it when these right wing libertarians pop up and you find out that they are on the government payroll. Its too sweet.

The military in this country is not a monolith; there's room for all kinds of opinions.
 
The military in this country is not a monolith; there's room for all kinds of opinions.

and the one signing the paychecks and giving the orders is till the big bad evil gubment.
 
Churches, charities and friends? And he claimed this was his friend and so he helped raise money on the internet. Other people's money. Did you donate Ron?
 
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

It's not a matter of disagreeing or agreeing. Making a government that handles your needs is not a good way to form a working economy. It's not a good way to form a responsible society. The fact is your needs are what drives you, without them, what is making you get out of your house? Needs are the life blood of any economy. But another reason you keep it just to protections of rights and liberties is because what you desire has no real way to be defined and any service, be it a cell phone, healthcare, or housing can become a need if people become dependent on it. Is it really something you consider wise to allow the government to control any service that reaches that level?
 
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It certainly explains how you can afford health insurance. Try living in the real world.

Lol, in the real world he would have his employer handle it. You kind of fail at this.
 
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Dash, you know I love you bro, but I just have to point out something.

You say that you have no responsibility to your fellow citizens, but only to yourself. Well, clearly, you serve in a profession where the citizens of this country are responsible for your well-being (paid through taxes, and, increasingly, through borrowing) and you in turn are responsible for their security. Clearly there is a discrepancy between your stated beliefs and your actions.

Not to mention, yes, it is a bit disingenuous of you to suggest that you can afford health insurance just fine on a salary of 24k when you actually get quite a bit of help from the gov't (TriCare, I assume).

Not trying to bash you here, I'm just sayin' :shrug: please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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wrong. I have no interest in force feeding anybody. Why is it necessary for you to create a perverted Frankenstien monster version of others beliefs in the desperate hope of elevating your own?

So what you are saying is you are against cigarette taxes, sugary food taxes, banning of unhealthy food, etc? Seems odd coming from a liberal.
 
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Word on the street is, the Tea Party has selected their unofficial song.

 
The cheers after the "let him die" was a little inappropriate, but I agree with what Ron Paul said, I think Wolf Blitzer took the statement out of proportion asking that question.

Who said that society should let the guy die?
from what Paul said ( which i don't know his exact stance whether it is or isnt) you can interpret that the guy could just go into debt the rest of his life for the life-saving surgery. That is certainly not letting him die without doing anything. Isn't there a law requiring hospitals to stabilize patients regardless of health insurance?
Being in debt for the rest of your life, in my opinion, is better then dieing at least.

I think this miracle funding stuff should be done by charities, not government.

The freedom to possibly screw over yourself for a mild benefit is anyone's to take advantage of if they want too.
 
It's not a matter of disagreeing or agreeing. Making a government that handles your needs is not a good way to form a working economy. It's not a good way to form a responsible society. The fact is your needs are what drives you, without them, what is making you get out of your house? Needs are the life blood of any economy. But another reason you keep it just to protections of rights and liberties is because what you desire has no real way to be defined and any service, be it a cell phone, healthcare, or housing can become a need if people become dependent on it. Is it really something you consider wise to allow the government to control any service that reaches that level?

Your response here sets up a straw man. No one other than true communists or socialists believe that we should have a government that handles all your needs. So you are attacking an argument that very few people make. Broadly, what the majority of people believe, and what the majority of economists believe, is that a successful market economic system requires some safety nets provided by the public sector. Programs like unemployment insurance, health coverage for the poor, some form of a disability program, and so form of retirement assistance (possibly means tested), and some type of publicly subsidized health coverage for seniors (possibly means tested). These are components of every successful state on the planet. The only modern industrialized society on the planet that leaves this completely to the private sector is Hong Kong, but the catch is that Hong Kong requires residence to purchase disability insurance, health insurance, retirement investments / annuities, and a private sector provided unemployment insurance.

This libertarian utopia that guys like Ron Paul promote is not practiced anywhere.
 
Your response here sets up a straw man. No one other than true communists or socialists believe that we should have a government that handles all your needs. So you are attacking an argument that very few people make. Broadly, what the majority of people believe, and what the majority of economists believe, is that a successful market economic system requires some safety nets provided by the public sector. Programs like unemployment insurance, health coverage for the poor, some form of a disability program, and so form of retirement assistance (possibly means tested), and some type of publicly subsidized health coverage for seniors (possibly means tested). These are components of every successful state on the planet. The only modern industrialized society on the planet that leaves this completely to the private sector is Hong Kong, but the catch is that Hong Kong requires residence to purchase disability insurance, health insurance, retirement investments / annuities, and a private sector provided unemployment insurance.

This libertarian utopia that guys like Ron Paul promote is not practiced anywhere.

I'm not even sure Ron Paul would seek to impose a "Paulian" society if he actually got to the White House.
 
Your response here sets up a straw man. No one other than true communists or socialists believe that we should have a government that handles all your needs.

I don't really see anyone ever draw a line in the sand. I hear many people say its there, but damn if I ever see anyone draw it. If you won't draw it, it doesn't exist.

Broadly, what the majority of people believe, and what the majority of economists believe, is that a successful market economic system requires some safety nets provided by the public sector. Programs like unemployment insurance, health coverage for the poor, some form of a disability program, and so form of retirement assistance (possibly means tested), and some type of publicly subsidized health coverage for seniors (possibly means tested).

Economists understand the damage that all of those programs do to the economy. Unemployment for example they all agree kills interest to get in the market. If they support them is largely depend on the damage it has caused and the need for those programs to continue because of it.

These are components of every successful state on the planet. The only modern industrialized society on the planet that leaves this completely to the private sector is Hong Kong, but the catch is that Hong Kong requires residence to purchase disability insurance, health insurance, retirement investments / annuities, and a private sector provided unemployment insurance.

This is largely my point. Tell me, what has happened to the economies of the world? Where is the work ethic today? Where has it gone since all of this started? Down. Add to that, that most of these programs lower the value of money and it just turns to serve itself.

This libertarian utopia that guys like Ron Paul promote is not practiced anywhere.

The thing about utopias is they promote a perfect world order. Libertarians do not promote a perfect world order. The term doesn't fly.
 
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Lol, in the real world he would have his employer handle it. You kind of fail at this.

Wow. just wow. Do ANY of you right wingers actually work in the real world? Most folks bear a majority of the health care insurance bill now. Try to keep up. Or better yet, get a job!
 
Churches, charities and friends? And he claimed this was his friend and so he helped raise money on the internet. Other people's money. Did you donate Ron?

Kinda obvious he did.
 
Wow. just wow. Do ANY of you right wingers actually work in the real world? Most folks bear a majority of the health care insurance bill now. Try to keep up. Or better yet, get a job!

Not my argument.
 
It's just a matter of which God you look at. Mine is much closer to the God of the OLD Testament, not the wussie one from the New Testament.



Some of us would have no problem with that. If you can't find a job that provides insurance at age 30, maybe you should just "go away".

"What you do unto the least of these, you have done unto me".

-Jesus Christ
 
"What you do unto the least of these, you have done unto me".

-Jesus Christ

You realize he isn't doing anything, yes? Oh right, he is against being entitled so he is doing harm. Sorry, forgot.
 
I'm not even sure Ron Paul would seek to impose a "Paulian" society if he actually got to the White House.

One thing I'll give the man credit for: Were he to actually become president, he'd drive lobbyists absolutely nuts!
 
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