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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What about hearing? I'm considering this in light of speech pathology (and basic cognitive stuff).

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    This thread is being moved to CT, right? I'm not clicky, but I figure via the jarbled OP.
    The phenomenon I'm referring to concerns reading. Uses a different pathway than spoken/heard information. Bypasses our verbal BS filters because it doesn't go through them.

    And still generally gets corrected as it integrates with existing knowledge.

    The distraction right after reading is a dirty persuasion trick based on this.

    There's an article on the site in my sig about it. I think its in another section than that link though.
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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah we sure taught the Saudis not to mess with America............. Oh wait, we attacked Afghanistan and Iraq..........we continued to suck up to the Saudis............never mind.
    Much of Al Qaeda's support structure was in Afghanistan. Also, the 15 Saudi high-jackers were literally less than one-in-a-million in their home country. The nature of our response, especially in Iraq, is questionable, but Saudi Arabia's government has been a useful, if brutal, ally in the War on Terror.
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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The correction of the poor communication between the various intelligence communities is the ONE thing they got right after 9-11.

    For me, unanswered questions still make the whole thing stink of LIHOP to me, but the dysfunction in our intelligence systems could answer my concerns without resorting to conspiracy theory. The right hand wasn't ALLOWED to know what the left hand was doing, so its perfectly reasonable that that led to the errors that allowed it to occur.
    The "perception" and acknowledgement of improved communications is noted. How does that justify shuttering the group that had correctly identified the attacker and the targets. That is not about improved communication. Example, have a Corporation with 8 board members who can't agree to get anything done because 4 are pro and 4 are con. Simple, shutter the 4 pros and the cons will have control. Things, right or wrong, will get done. Shouldn't the shuttering have been targetted at the groups in the communication network that didn't have any right answers? That is my dispute with the communication improvement theory.

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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The "perception" and acknowledgement of improved communications is noted. How does that justify shuttering the group that had correctly identified the attacker and the targets. That is not about improved communication. Example, have a Corporation with 8 board members who can't agree to get anything done because 4 are pro and 4 are con. Simple, shutter the 4 pros and the cons will have control. Things, right or wrong, will get done. Shouldn't the shuttering have been targetted at the groups in the communication network that didn't have any right answers? That is my dispute with the communication improvement theory.
    Don't get me wrong, we're on the same page more or less. The whole thing stinks. I HATE suspicious things that only get worse the more you look at them.

    End of the day? CYA and general incompetence could account for everything.

    And intelligence consolidation shouldn't have resulted in shuttering of units with correct assessments, which was probably a result of CYA behavior. Makes it harder to shirk responsibility with "no one expected it" if someone DID indeed expect it. Communication failures aside.
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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post

    I think that Bush and Clinton both ignored a lot of information which could have prevented the attacks. A lot of people like to put this all on Bush, but don't forget that Clinton could have had bin Laden right here in the US, but didn't because he refused to cough up the price of a plane ticket.
    This was investigated during the 9.11 Commission and no evidence was found to support it...


    In late 1995,when Bin Ladin was still in Sudan, the State Department and the CIA learned that Sudanese officials were discussing with the Saudi government the possibility of expelling Bin Ladin. U.S.Ambassador Timothy Carney encouraged the Sudanese to pursue this course. The Saudis, however, did not want Bin Ladin, giving as their reason their revocation of his citizenship.

    Sudanís minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so. Ambassador Carney had instructions only to push the Sudanese to expel Bin Ladin. Ambassador Carney had no legal basis to ask for more from the Sudanese since, at the time, there was no indictment outstanding.

    9/11 Commission Report, chapter 4, pg 109-110

    http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    That may or may not be true. The one thing IMO we can't do though is take the word of the 9-11 commission as it was nothing more than a dog and pony show for the reasons I noted early on.

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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Much of Al Qaeda's support structure was in Afghanistan. Also, the 15 Saudi high-jackers were literally less than one-in-a-million in their home country. The nature of our response, especially in Iraq, is questionable, but Saudi Arabia's government has been a useful, if brutal, ally in the War on Terror.
    "Private individuals in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states friendly to the United States are the chief source of funding for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist groups, according to leaked US diplomatic cables."

    Wikileaks: Saudis 'chief funders of al-Qaeda' - Telegraph
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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Private individuals in Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states friendly to the United States are the chief source of funding for al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other terrorist groups, according to leaked US diplomatic cables."

    Wikileaks: Saudis 'chief funders of al-Qaeda' - Telegraph
    The command structure was located in Afghanistan, and the Saudi government has been a useful ally. They certainly have not been perfect, but invading them would make far less sense.
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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    The command structure was located in Afghanistan, and the Saudi government has been a useful ally. They certainly have not been perfect, but invading them would make far less sense.
    I never suggested invading Saudi Arabia. My point is that it would have made more sense than invading Afghanistan and Iraq.
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    Re: A Year Before 9/11, Intelligence Unit Determined World Trade Center, Pentagon "Mo

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Actually, everyone believes everything they read, AS THEY READ IT. It goes straight past our "filters" and has to be corrected afterwards. Usually as it is incorporated into our larger knowledge base. But if you distract someone just after they read something, whatever they just read ends up in the "true" column by default. And can end up "permanently" "true" if not thought about before it ends up in longer term memory.

    Your Cognitive Linguistics lesson for the day!
    No frigging way! I did not know that and know I did not believe it from the first time you said everyone believes everything they read, AS THEY READ IT. So this is not true
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