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    With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    The Washington Post's Anqoinette Crosby talks with reporter Steve Hendrix about one of the first fighter pilots to scramble after the attacks of Sept. 11. With no ordinance on board her jet, she was faced with the possibility of ramming her plane into one of the hijacked passenger jets. (Anqoinette Crosby and Jason Aldag)

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    What's the difference between ramming (and presumably ejecting safely) and destroying it with a missile?

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    How in the world could one eject and be certain it would hit the other plane? Can you imagine having to live with that?

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What's the difference between ramming (and presumably ejecting safely) and destroying it with a missile?
    The presumably part.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    I remember when CNN was first reporting about the downed Flight 93, it was said that the debris field was about three miles long, this is not a sign of a jet doing a nose dive into the ground. My question is did anyone who was watching the news live that morning hear the same thing I did.

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What's the difference between ramming (and presumably ejecting safely) and destroying it with a missile?
    There was no guarantee that should could both eject safely before impact and ram her target with accuracy.

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    What scares me the most is the idea that in 2001 we did not have ARMED and READY combat aircraft at the military airfield designated as the interception location for aircraft around Washington, DC. It's truly unfortunate that it took something like the 9/11 tragedy for our government to drag its head out from beneath its knees in this regard.

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    How in the world could one eject and be certain it would hit the other plane? Can you imagine having to live with that?
    One does what is necessary. It's a job, it's not like someone personally decided to do it; anyone could be the fighter pilot that day. Just because they call ones roll number doesn't mean one takes personal responsibility for (legal) orders.

    It would suck, but dropping bombs on the enemy (and accepting collateral damage for a worthwhile cause) probably isn't a joy either (Catch-22). I hear Somalia wasn't fantastic.


    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There was no guarantee that should could both eject safely before impact and ram her target with accuracy.
    I think the odds of success are way over 90%. A plane on a collision course is not going to suddenly vear in the last few meters during ejection. I'm no fighter pilot, but I figure a rear approach and a last-second eject should work out fine.
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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There was no guarantee that should could both eject safely before impact and ram her target with accuracy.
    The pilot could have done so easily, a simple course calculation. The only variable would be if the terrorist pilot made a sudden maneuver, so the fighter would have to come from behind or post or starboard side. The hit wouldn't even have to be a direct hit, a simple clip on the wing or tail fin would have sufficed.

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    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    The pilot could have done so easily, a simple course calculation. The only variable would be if the terrorist pilot made a sudden maneuver, so the fighter would have to come from behind or post or starboard side. The hit wouldn't even have to be a direct hit, a simple clip on the wing or tail fin would have sufficed.
    From the accompanying article:

    F-16 pilot was ready to give her life on Sept. 11 - The Washington Post

    They screamed over the smoldering Pentagon, heading northwest at more than 400 mph, flying low and scanning the clear horizon. Her commander had time to think about the best place to hit the enemy.

    “We don’t train to bring down airliners,” said Sasseville, now stationed at the Pentagon. “If you just hit the engine, it could still glide and you could guide it to a target. My thought was the cockpit or the wing.”

    He also thought about his ejection seat. Would there be an instant just before impact?

    “I was hoping to do both at the same time,” he says. “It probably wasn’t going to work, but that’s what I was hoping.”

    Penney worried about missing the target if she tried to bail out.

    “If you eject and your jet soars through without impact . . .” she trails off, the thought of failing more dreadful than the thought of dying.
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