Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 48

Thread: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

  1. #21
    Sage
    ksu_aviator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Fort Worth Texas
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    6,684
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    Thanks for the correction on that.

    But tell me oh great genious...What is stupid about that.?...Do you have a better option?

    If not

    Don't make ignorant accusations.
    He's right, it is a bad proposal.

    First, there are air defenses near sensitive areas. Second, there are procedures for identifying lost aircraft and aircraft with malicious intent. In fact, there are...on any given day...20+ aircraft that violate the "Temporary Flight Restriction" airspace. Third, even with a lot of training, it is not easy for a shoulder fired missile to find a moving target that is as small as a Cessna or even a corporate jet. A missed shot will probably land in a densely populated neighborhood. The odds of success versus the risk do not warrant the use of shoulder fired ground to air missiles.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

  2. #22
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    08-14-12 @ 11:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,928

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    It's well known that 93 was shot down. The "lets roll" thing is a PR move by the gov't that didn't want to scare the **** out of it's citizens by saying we shot down an airliner. Air national guard lady says it right here, sent up to "discourage" the airliner from striking the pentagon." Now, I wonder how that would happen. And we don't send up fighters without ammo.

    911 FOX reports Flight 93 shot down by an F-16 from the US National Air Guard - YouTube

  3. #23
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,803

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Rear approach is frequently done with midair refueling is it not. Although I understand what you are saying and it is a very real problem ans in fact has cause many accidents, but there are avenues a pilot can take.
    Mid-air refueling operations still have a pilot on-board to make the necessary adjustments. Between the wake turbulence, the ejection force, the fighter's inherent instability, and the sudden change in center-of-gravity of the F-16, collision is unlikely in a rear approach.

    Better off in a head-on approach. Higher rate of closure means shorter time for things to mess up... although the aiming and timing becomes much harder.

    While I'm not one to normally pull credentials, you do have two professional pilots telling you that this isn't as easy as you think it is.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  4. #24
    Sage
    ksu_aviator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Fort Worth Texas
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    6,684
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    It's well known that 93 was shot down. The "lets roll" thing is a PR move by the gov't that didn't want to scare the **** out of it's citizens by saying we shot down an airliner. Air national guard lady says it right here, sent up to "discourage" the airliner from striking the pentagon." Now, I wonder how that would happen. And we don't send up fighters without ammo.

    911 FOX reports Flight 93 shot down by an F-16 from the US National Air Guard - YouTube
    Sorry boss, but that video fits perfectly with the report above. The F-16 was sent out, but Flight 93 was down before they got there.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

  5. #25
    Guru
    deltabtry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    MA.
    Last Seen
    11-26-16 @ 03:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    4,021

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    It's well known that 93 was shot down. The "lets roll" thing is a PR move by the gov't that didn't want to scare the **** out of it's citizens by saying we shot down an airliner. Air national guard lady says it right here, sent up to "discourage" the airliner from striking the pentagon." Now, I wonder how that would happen. And we don't send up fighters without ammo.

    911 FOX reports Flight 93 shot down by an F-16 from the US National Air Guard - YouTube
    Yes this is what I am referring to, non the less the White House made the right call.

  6. #26
    Guru
    deltabtry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    MA.
    Last Seen
    11-26-16 @ 03:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    4,021

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Sorry boss, but that video fits perfectly with the report above. The F-16 was sent out, but Flight 93 was down before they got there.
    You to explain the debris field.

  7. #27
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    08-14-12 @ 11:44 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,928

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Sorry boss, but that video fits perfectly with the report above. The F-16 was sent out, but Flight 93 was down before they got there.
    Apparently you didn't watch the video. There were reports a second debris field was blocked off 6-8 miles from the crash site. If the plane was supposedly taken over by passengers who put it into a dive, the debris field would not be all spread out over miles. The plane was shot down, just accept that. It's not a big deal, nobody did anything wrong. One of the engines was found in the secondary debris field. That would be what a heat seeking missile would target, and one of the most well bolted on pieces of the plane unlikely to come off in a high speed dive on it's own.

  8. #28
    Sage
    ksu_aviator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Fort Worth Texas
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    6,684
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    You to explain the debris field.
    The aircraft broke up at altitude as a result of severe control inputs. If the aircraft was at 36,000 feet the piece that traveled the farthest in relation to the piece that traveled the least would have only had to travel 1/2 mile or 3000 feet per 1000 feet it descended. Considering some pieces would be heavy and very little aerodynamic properties and other pieces would have aerodynamic properties that would allow them to "float" and travel farther.

    The debris field is not an inconsistency. Columbia had a 150 mile debris field. More over, an aircraft known to have exploded in air due to an attack was scattered over 81 miles.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

  9. #29
    Sage
    ksu_aviator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Fort Worth Texas
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    6,684
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Apparently you didn't watch the video. There were reports a second debris field was blocked off 6-8 miles from the crash site. If the plane was supposedly taken over by passengers who put it into a dive, the debris field would not be all spread out over miles. The plane was shot down, just accept that. It's not a big deal, nobody did anything wrong. One of the engines was found in the secondary debris field. That would be what a heat seeking missile would target, and one of the most well bolted on pieces of the plane unlikely to come off in a high speed dive on it's own.
    NO, the terrorists put the aircraft in a dive, the passengers tried to recover. That caused the break up.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

  10. #30
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,465

    Re: With no ammunition, pilot ordered to take down United 93

    At the end of the day, it's a fact that the passengers of Flight 93 attempted to re-take the aircraft; IMO all the passengers of Flight 93 supported that effort.

    Whether the aircraft was shot down, or it was crashed by the Muslim bastards that hijacked it, is of no matter, because those Americans displayed the first mettle in our war against the Muslim terrorists. They were the first to take the fight to the enemy. They fought the good fight, because they prevented that aircraft from reaching it's target.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

Page 3 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •