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FBI Raids Solyndra Headquarters

Occam's Razor said:
And that makes hyperbolic projection justified?
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Hyperbole has no need for justification - it's purposes are many and diverse. From a-political and partisan to the academic and tactical. Hyperbole can have many faces.

Occam's Razor said:
All we know right now is that a company that received half a billion lied about it's finances and then filed bankruptcy. All one can conclude at this point is gross mismanagement or criminal activity of those that ran the company. Taking it beyond that at this point is HIGHLY speculative.
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Certainly it's speculative - however looking beyond the specifics it identifies a few economic points and may reflect badly on the "green jobs" initiatives and policies that government is pushing. The lesson I gain from this is that the "green" sector is no better or worse than the legacy sectors such as "big oil" or others and it also tells me that the public appetite for "green" is more difficult when it comes during a bad economic downturn. We may want to help our planet but not at the cost of sacrificing our individual futures or at risk of what little savings/wealth the middle class can claim.

Occam's Razor said:
Under this logic, anyone making loans to a failed business is as culpable in it's failure as those actually responsible for working the business plan.
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I believe that always has been the case. The loan manager who makes a corporate loan which defaults is not praised, nor is the underwriter or the attorney's involved.

Occam's Razor said:
The investigation is starting where it should... and must progress where the actual evidence leads. If that doesn't stop until the white house, so be it... but to make proclamations absent an investigation is emo-reactionism... don't care which two parties are involved.
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My only point is if there is illegality - regardless of the politics - the law must be applied as well as the punishment. I couldn't care less if it's a Democrat or a Republican. To reiterate: Dirty is dirty - let the chips fall where they may.
 
Occam's Razor said:
And that makes hyperbolic projection justified?

All we know right now is that a company that received half a billion lied about it's finances and then filed bankruptcy. All one can conclude at this point is gross mismanagement or criminal activity of those that ran the company. Taking it beyond that at this point is HIGHLY speculative.

Under this logic, anyone making loans to a failed business is as culpable in it's failure as those actually responsible for working the business plan.

The investigation is starting where it should... and must progress where the actual evidence leads. If that doesn't stop until the white house, so be it... but to make proclamations absent an investigation is emo-reactionism... don't care which two parties are involved.
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We also know that those honchos of Solyndra made 20 visits to the Oval Office and that DOE people were sitting in on the meetings.

So, yeah, when a company swindles the government out of a half billion dollars, heads need to roll.
 
Instead of everyone just assuming the worst about their least favorite politician or group, why don't we wait to see what actually happens? We will probably look less idiotic if we all display a little bit of patience.

Remember how people reacted when the French guy from the world bank (or WTO or something) got arrested and it turned out to be nothing?
 
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deltabtry said:
I agree, I actually like what Ockman has to post most of the time.
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I pay attention to the post not the name in the room, if you don’t think changing the subject from Obama to Cheney is not a typical lib tactic and you call yourself conservative, I’m at a loss for words. It does remind me of listening to radio shows where people call in saying “I’m a conservative but” not saying you are one, just saying you remind me of that.
 
megaprogman said:
Instead of everyone just assuming the worst about their least favorite politician or group, why don't we wait to see what actually happens? We will probably look less idiotic if we all display a little bit of patience.

Remember how people reacted when the French guy from the world bank (or WTO or something) got arrested and it turned out to be nothing?
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But this 'patience' approach flies in the face of the 'jump to conclusions' approach which seems much more suitable. :)
 
megaprogman said:
Instead of everyone just assuming the worst about their least favorite politician or group, why don't we wait to see what actually happens? We will probably look less idiotic if we all display a little bit of patience.
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I already know that the government gave them a half billion dollars of other peoples money and I do not support that.
 
1Perry said:
I already know that the government gave them a half billion dollars of other peoples money and I do not support that.
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This does not necessarily mean that there is a conspiracy.
 
megaprogman said:
Instead of everyone just assuming the worst about their least favorite politician or group, why don't we wait to see what actually happens? We will probably look less idiotic if we all display a little bit of patience.

Remember how people reacted when the French guy from the world bank (or WTO or something) got arrested and it turned out to be nothing?
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Do you still believe that Dick Cheney outted Valerie Plame?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Typical lib response when painted into a corner with facts, change the subject as fast as possible and hope your opponent bites on lure you are trolling with. Sorry, troll elsewhere.:)
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I'm sorry that's your partisan mindset, that was not my intention. Follow along... Your basis for suspicion is something that happens with every president or administration. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, they all received repeated visits from business interests that financed their campaigns and later turned out to be shysters. Those are the facts. So, if you are not a wholly partisan hack and truly believe in the letter of the law, then all circumstances that are similar should be equally explored, regardless of party.

As for Obama, I don't give a crap, investigate the hell out of him. Just know, that unlike you, I will insist on the same for any party politician. My morals aren't subjective.
 
apdst said:
We also know that those honchos of Solyndra made 20 visits to the Oval Office and that DOE people were sitting in on the meetings.

So, yeah, when a company swindles the government out of a half billion dollars, heads need to roll.
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Just the governments money, or does that stand for regular people as well?

sawyerloggingon said:
I pay attention to the post not the name in the room, if you don’t think changing the subject from Obama to Cheney is not a typical lib tactic and you call yourself conservative, I’m at a loss for words. It does remind me of listening to radio shows where people call in saying “I’m a conservative but” not saying you are one, just saying you remind me of that.
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Maybe you should turn off the radio.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Just the governments money, or does that stand for regular people as well?
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No, it ain't the government's money; it's my money.

We have a president that swears up-n-down that I need to pay more taxes. Well, that would be ok, if I had a government that didn't piss my money away, the way this one does.
 
apdst said:
No, it ain't the government's money; it's my money.

We have a president that swears up-n-down that I need to pay more taxes. Well, that would be ok, if I had a government that didn't piss my money away, the way this one does.
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Under which administration hasn't that been the case? I'm not defending Obama or the Dems... just trying to get you to see the reality that there is little difference across the aisle.

Now then, this is not a soapbox for you to broaden your partisan issues into. This topic is specifically about money for the memorial vs money for the victims still in need. Take off your partisan hat for a moment and pretend you are capable of independent thought.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Under which administration hasn't that been the case? I'm not defending Obama or the Dems... just trying to get you to see the reality that there is little difference across the aisle.

Now then, this is not a soapbox for you to broaden your partisan issues into. This topic is specifically about money for the memorial vs money for the victims still in need. Take off your partisan hat for a moment and pretend you are capable of independent thought.
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I'm simply pointing out trillions of tax dollars were wasted on bull**** and a simple 10 mil could have been directed to this project.
 
apdst said:
I'm simply pointing out trillions of tax dollars were wasted on bull**** and a simple 10 mil could have been directed to this project.
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I'm simply pointing out that there should be priorities... and the living should always come first. Oh wait... haven't had my coffee yet, threads confused... wait... do you have threads confused? you do... this is Solyndra, not 9-11 memorial.

....coffee...
 
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Occam's Razor said:
I'm sorry that's your partisan mindset, that was not my intention. Follow along... Your basis for suspicion is something that happens with every president or administration. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, they all received repeated visits from business interests that financed their campaigns and later turned out to be shysters. Those are the facts.

You and me seem to be the last ones in here that haven’t been lured off topic. Dems really don’t want to talk about this! You conveniently leave out a big fact though. Not only was this Obama bundler a shyster, Obama basically gave him 535 billion of our tax payer dollars. That makes this rise to a whole different level. Following is from Drudge, please read it.





One of the lead private investors in Solyndra was an Oklahoma billionaire who served as an Obama "bundler," raising money during the 2008 presidential campaign.

The bundler, George Kaiser, has declined to comment. His firm, Argonaut Ventures and its affiliates have been the single largest shareholder of Solyndra, according to SEC filings and other records. The company holds 39 percent of Solyndra's parent company, bankruptcy records filed Tuesday show.

Until two weeks ago, the Obama administration held out Solyndra as a model for its green energy program, which was devised to create jobs and spur investment in cleaner sources of energy. President Obama personally visited the Solyndra plant last year, and his Energy Department made it the first to win approval of a federal loan guarantee. The $535 million federal investment enabled the company to build a sprawling manufacturing facility.
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